2013 Meetings

Berryessie · Senior Member

Let's see what you all think

SK60 · Senior Member

B: a perfect first step to generating support

Matt R · Senior Member

Great idea.

kbarn · Veteran Member

I submitted to the poll on my tiny phone screen and it register for checkboxes on accodent. The 1 keep it open result was accidental.

iamamultitasker · Senior Member

I voted yes and also think that Dec and Jan is perfect. Any more closure months would be over the line IMO. Tks.

Rossflyguy · Senior Member

^^^Agreed

Matt R · Senior Member

I'd say the longer the closure the more beneficial it would be for the fish/eggs/creek.

Cole Davis · Senior Member

I voted yes, as others have said the window for winter steelhead is short and I'm busy that time making myself crazy chasing them.

Xnjb707X · Senior Member

I'd say the longer closure will be better as well. DEC-MAR For sure!

hawkeye · Member

Regarding the timing of closure, perhaps DFG (DFW?) should be consulted early on in the process. I wonder if a closure of Dec-Mar is asked for, DFW and the Commission may recommend Putah fall under the general trout season and close Nov-Apr -- i.e. what's the big diff between Dec-Mar and Nov-Apr? It certainly would be easier regarding regulation and enforcement.

Are there any other streams with trout streams (not salmon) that are not either year-round, closed, or general season?

Xnjb707X · Senior Member

Putah only open during general trout season? That sounds like the best option.

shon42073 · Senior Member

Xnjb707X wrote:
Putah only open during general trout season? That sounds like the best option.

I have to agree with Xnjb707. That would be the best. Theres plenty of other places to fish that are not as fragile. Personaly I don't fish putah anymore, I think I fished it two times in 2012. Theres just to many other places that are much better.

windknots · Senior Member

I agree, general trout season, then C&R only. This fishery is too small, too fragile, and too accessible to too many people to leave it open year round. You could post a sign on every tree and try to educate every redd flosser and it still wouldn't make a difference.

Rossflyguy · Senior Member

windknots wrote:
I agree, general trout season, then C&R only. This fishery is too small, too fragile, and too accessible to too many people to leave it open year round. You could post a sign on every tree and try to educate every redd flosser and it still wouldn't make a difference.

AGREED

lightfoot · Senior Member

A time to voice an opinion in Sacramento is coming up next month. Mid-week of course hmm

I believe that meetings begin at 9AM

2013 Meetings

All Meetings Open to the Public

Live and archived video coverage of Commission meetings can be viewed on www.cal-span.org.

Date	Location	Files
February 6-7, 2013 Wednesday-Thursday	Resources Building Auditorium 1416 Ninth Street Sacramento, CA
March 6, 2013 Wednesday	Mt. Shasta Hatchery Museum #3 North Old Stage Road Mount Shasta, CA
April 17-18, 2013 Wednesday-Thursday	Flamingo Conference Resort & Spa 2777 Fourth Street Santa Rosa, CA
May 22-23, 2013 Wednesday-Thursday	Los Angeles, CA
June 26-27, 2013 Wednesday-Thursday	Truckee, CA
August 7-8, 2013 Wednesday-Thursday	Long Beach, CA
September 4-5, 2013 Wednesday-Thursday	Sacramento, CA
October 2-3, 2013 Wednesday-Thursday	Ventura, CA
November 6-7, 2013 Wednesday-Thursday	Santa Barbara, CA
December 11-12, 2013 Wednesday-Thursday	San Diego, CA

*When possible, meetings will be held on the first day only.

SK60 · Senior Member

Robert-its too early in the process to present to the Commission. We need a 4 minute formal presentation to be prepared to introduce the request for change and DFW support secured first; otherwise, if its a total surprise it will have little impact. When those steps are complete, then schedule a presenter to go before the commission.

-- Edited by SK60 on Thursday 10th of January 2013 08:26:49 AM

lightfoot · Senior Member

SK60 wrote:
Robert-its too early in the process to present to the Commission. We need a 4 minute formal presentation to be prepared to introduce the request for change and DFW support secured first; otherwise, if its a total surprise it will have little impact. When those steps are complete, then schedule a presenter to go before the commission.

-- Edited by SK60 on Thursday 10th of January 2013 08:26:49 AM

lightfoot wrote:

SK60 wrote:
Berryessie: A closure: Follow Reg change process, which is directed at the Fish and Wildlife Commission (formerly Fish and Game Commission). Very detailed, many steps, requires heavy comittment of time to go to monthly FWC meetings all over the state to present the case during the public comment section of the meetings. Obtain letters of support from individuals, conservation groups, lobbyists, local governments, etc., and most important, a positive recommendation from DFW (formerly DFG).

Steve, I've hunted all over the F & G site for those very detailed steps without luck. I've fired off two letters now and received one response but not quite what I was looking for. Can you message me some info on specifics please.

Rossflyguy · Senior Member

I went out yesterday with the lady. After taking her to a couple spots I took her to access three to look at the spawners. The green tape was ripped and I didn't see any spawners. We put the tape back up and walked down the trail. When I came back there was a "fisherman", who had pulled up earlier when I was putting the tape back up, fishing the spawn site. I know there weren't any spawners visible but I told him if he had seen the LARGE sign about the spawn site. He got really defensive and told me that a trout club put it up and it wasn't DFG. I told him that DFG had authorized them to put that up. He apparently knows SK60(so he says) and told me it wasn't illegal and that the hole underneath the tree was productive. He also told me the fish weren't on the redds BUT was throwing a glo bug. He was very defensive as if he has been told several times already. Now I have a temper and I almost went down to where he was and introduced him to the open palm but I figure it wasn't worth it and just walked away before it got out of hand. People like this guy are a real piece of work.

lightfoot · Senior Member

It's kind of sad but people that are fishing the redds are probably predominantly well aware of what they are doing. They just don't care. Though I am pleased to say that I have had 2 positive outcomes this season.

Being confrontational is going to do nothing positive for the fishery and you took the high road...well done.

SK60 · Senior Member

All: I recently sent an email to all PCT members about confronting FF that are fishing the redds. Because of comments made to our Board, we are not endorsing talking to redders, particularly because of possible alleged incidents of harrassment occuring. Anyone still doing it (redd fishing), after all the discussion on this board and elsewhere, is not going to stop. As much as the risk to the fish may be, a larger one is for PCT to lose credibility with our collaborators, stakeholders and friends over the handling of this issue. Make note of what you see, write it down or send me an email and walk away. Please.

yukon mike · Senior Member

I saw an old western where they were going to go hang some guy who probably "did it". But one of the more enlightenedcowpokes spoke up with concern and said, "First we should give him a fair trial, then hang him!". So next time show some restraint by not beating him up. Just throw rocks.

rgloft · Senior Member

You know whats The Really sad part besides its the fish that loose is that this whole thing has gotten turned around and the people trying to help in a responcible and legal manner get turned into the bad guy , I spoke with someone who told me about this incounter with said fisherman doing the fishing and he is not a trouble maker not even close he is someone I concider a friend he is not the agressive type nore is he a bullie , He is the type that is inclusive he is allways helping with a fly here and afy there or some weight if I am running short Long story short I think what makes me the most mad Is this guy may not be ( Breaking the law) but fishing redds is concidered un ethacle by many and the people doing legeal efforts are being unfairley blamed for something i dont belive he did I am sure he was not harassing the fisher fishing redds What a ******* @ I have to go I am heading out the door for the Yuba this morning Chow

kype · Newbie

ive had positive outcomes from kindly educating at least a dozen unknowing anglers this year who were not redd poaching but rather stumbling upon a section of tailwater teeming with big fish. Putah has a unique spawning situation and all it takes is a few casts and the inevitable hook up could lead to what the angler thinks is the fishing day of a lifetime. A great example is just last week i saw an older man fishing an unmarked redd, i introduced myself and explained the situation. I was a bit too late as he had already landed a few "big browns"and he was a bit let down when i told him they were actually yellowed spawners. He was very nice and understood, had just started getting in to fly fishing, and had never visited a fly forum.

lightfoot · Senior Member

I still believe that a huge proportion ie majority of the people that fish Putah creek have never been to this bulletin board and hence generally unaware of the current spawning issues and concerns.

Cameras last spawning season captured over 300 individuals fishing spawning sites. To the best of my knowledge that was only three cameras and three different locations. I'm curious as to how many of those were "repeat" individuals. There are certainly more than three locations with redds. Actual numbers of non informed that are targeting spawning areas/fish my be a tough number to identify.

Possible vehicle surveys might help but there are plenty of vehicles along 128 enjoying other venues aside from fishing.