Fly fisherman in full garb I'm sure know what they are doing as they have a look on their face like they were caught with their hand in the cookie jar; guy in sweatpants and tank top with spin gear however has never heard the word redd and probably thinks I'm talking colors. Regardless if they know they are on a spawning bed or not, if they don't know how important it is to this individual fishery they may not care. It's something that may not even be frowned upon in other fisheries but can be very harmful for a fishery as small as putah. Even if they do know they may still not care but I feel if there was more in the way of making them feel guilty as far as signs, tape, etc. that it would be less prevalent. Most all the people I talked to were suprised when I told them they were no longer planting here and not one of their rigs were barbless.
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I have a solution. Each of us can volunteer a weekend day to hang out by a spawning area. If someone shows up to fish it we start casting but with a dumby fly attached. Bring a chair and some food and make a day of it. This would deflect a good number of people. This reminds me of what the Army did in Yellowstone to protect game before the NPS existed.
If anyone is on Instagram check out #putahcreek and look at the guy holding a big female with it looks like eggs coming out of her. It looks like he pulled it out of the deer sign redd.
Stopped by yesterday to watch the spawners do their thing at the redds on 3 and as I pull up my heart sinks as I see someone wading directly through the gravel bed and sight fishing for fish at his feet. I walk up and immediately let him know what he's doing and that it's no coincidence that there are monsters swimming around his feet and tape everywhere. He understands and leaves but points out that there are no signs. Clearly they've been stolen again as they were there a few days ago. I spent the better part of that afternoon kindly diverting 3 other fisherman away from the redds and each one asked where the signs were and where they should fish instead. I think that more signage would help especially on the trails leading up to the redds as two of them came from downstream and probably blew by the signs on there way down the trail from the parking lot. Also informed a couple who were fishing spin gear at the calmer redd above casting directly over the sign and thought the sign meant they weren't allowed to wade but could still fish. After seeing all this I head to a third redd only to find the same thing, big spinning gear from someone at the resort. I kindly let him know what he's doing and he says that because there were no signs that he was going to continue fishing. I watch as he takes a few more casts before he gives up as I search for any form of cell service. I understand that adding excessive signage and tape will attract poachers but I really believe the number of unknowing fisherman far outweighs that. When stumbling upon a pool full of huge fish and minimal signage I think it is just too tempting for them and that maybe it would be more glaringly obvious they are in the wrong if it's more obvious to them and anyone else around.
They are full of crap if they were acting surprised. Most people who fish putah have taken a look on this website and now the regs as well as how frail the river is compared to other places. I wasn't for closing the river but I really think that's the only way to ensure that these fish can be protected while spawning through Dec-Jan. The instagram pic is what convinced me of that.
I agree close the creek.. For most of last year I've been writing "CLOSE THE CREEK FOR THE SPAWN" on the comments section on my putah creek angler surveys in hopes it's read by the right people. I suggest you all do the same as well as stay on the creek as we're doin and RE-educate the clueless and pressure the careless. THere are people who actually have no clue and do care. Unfortunately most of the people hacking up the spawners dont like to work hard for their catches, always looking for the easy catch, it really sucks but until we get a closure it's reality. CLOSE THE CREEK DEC-FEB.
What's sad is that there are fish already in post spawn or not spawning that can be caught. They are in all the normal spots that would hold fish for this time of year. I'm really irritated that there are people who can ruin the whole thing by fishing for spawning trout. I too want a closure now.
Im glad to see that there are more people turning toward a closure of the creek during the spawning season. I have been preaching for the winter time closure on this forum for a few years now and on the back of my surveys. I made a personal decision years back that I will not fish the creek during these critical months. A lot of us know how to properly fish the creek in the winter but in all honestly there are too many of us good and bad for this little creek to be fished in the winter. It is time to see the creek become closed for the future of the fishery. Even if the creek only becomes open for general trout season I would fully support that.
- Nic
Berryessie: A closure: Follow Reg change process, which is directed at the Fish and Wildlife Commission (formerly Fish and Game Commission). Very detailed, many steps, requires heavy comittment of time to go to monthly FWC meetings all over the state to present the case during the public comment section of the meetings. Obtain letters of support from individuals, conservation groups, lobbyists, local governments, etc., and most important, a positive recommendation from DFW (formerly DFG).
I wrote a letter to the F & G commission about this a few days ago but have not heard back. I'll keep following up on it and have another idea to work on.
It would tickle me pink to no end to see the revocation of a guides license for ethics reasons.
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I'm obviously not part of this board, nor do I live in the area anymore, but I just wanted to say thank you to everyone here that has put their heart and soul into this creek. Putah taught me a ton in my younger years, especially the truth behind fly fishing. What I mean is, the word fishing can be misleading, nothing to do with catching everything to do with environment. I was in the bay area a week ago, and took a drive up with my father to have a few creekside beers. Wow, what an improvement you guys have made! I could of cried, after about my fourth beer of course. Reminds me a lot of the work Guy Jeans has done on the Kern, although you guys are fighting a different battle. Not quite hot creek ranch yet trash wise, but the closest I have seen for public roadside in california. Best wishes to everyone here who is fighting the battle with the best intentions, and the least aggression...
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-- Edited by mrsums on Friday 4th of January 2013 03:47:01 PM
First thing we need to do is collect every photo we can find of people posing with spawners caught at the creek. Unfortunately the picture of the guy with the big hen spilling eggs has been taken down. Anyone get a screen shot of that? LAst year there was a video of a guy holding a fish with milt running down his hand...anyone have a copy of that?
If we can show DFW clear examples of breeding fish being caught off redds it will help our case.
OK: now we have a new concern (and I am not making this up). Two young idiots apparently decided that the spawning fish were perfect targets for a hand catching operation. So they stripped to their boxers and waded into the redd area where the fish were already horribly harrassed and tripped an infrared camera several times while tromping the redds. Today that area was almost devoid of fish, and those present were pretty skittish. Who knows what the redds suffered.
At the same spot we heard a voice say "well that was a waste of an hour" before two fishermen appeared from downstream. One of them had a large fish on for one hour before it broke off when brought to net. Neither fisherman was aware that the fish was a spawner, as they respected the signs asking them not to fish the redds behind the tape. It was hooked 25' below the redds in the deeper holding water. He was mortified when I told him that although the fish swam off, he had put it at great risk of death by fighting it for 1 hour. Two more unaware and well meaning nimrods were educated today, but the lesson had a high cost for that fish.
A reminder: it is a crime to threaten or harrass fisherman who are not fishing illegally (unfortunately, fishing immorally is not a defense if accused of harrassment). We have always said to educate by telling the story of why its important to leave the spawners alone and leave it at that.
PCT appreciates the desire to develop a closure reg. Be aware that opposition can come from both expected and unexpected sources. As I told Berryessie, you have to tell a story that justifies the closure. That eventually becomes a science based presentation to the Commission: "data shows that the closure should lead to measurable benefit to the fishery because...." You are making a commitment that you should approach with eyes wide open that a lot of work lies ahead. Support will come from a number of sources that you will identify and contact-I've already given Berryessie a number of suggestions. Do it right and you are likely to succeed.
-- Edited by SK60 on Friday 4th of January 2013 06:49:57 PM
-- Edited by SK60 on Friday 4th of January 2013 06:52:11 PM
Berryessie: A closure: Follow Reg change process, which is directed at the Fish and Wildlife Commission (formerly Fish and Game Commission). Very detailed, many steps, requires heavy comittment of time to go to monthly FWC meetings all over the state to present the case during the public comment section of the meetings. Obtain letters of support from individuals, conservation groups, lobbyists, local governments, etc., and most important, a positive recommendation from DFW (formerly DFG).
Steve, I've hunted all over the F & G site for those very detailed steps without luck. I've fired off two letters now and received one response but not quite what I was looking for. Can you message me some info on specifics please.
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I don't see any reason why they shouldn't close the creek for spawning season. It's unbelievable that people would go in and hand catch these fish, not to mention illegal. Maybe you should put up the info needed to help get the closure so many people can do what they can and get this going ASAP.
Talked with some people in the parking lot below the bridge about the habitat work, spawning fish etc etc. Went down to the creek and did the survey for that area and had said individueals come down and fish just above the worked gravel. By the time I had left they were sight fishing the redds. At times, talking with people seems to be a wasted effort.
I did talk with two others that were fishing in that area and had a favorable response.
An intersting note, I consider myself pretty sneaky when it comes to finding fish and getting close to them. Had one swim between my legs today :) . With that said, the fish seem really really spooky. Shawns hole was extreamly so.
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First thing we need to do is collect every photo we can find of people posing with spawners caught at the creek. Unfortunately the picture of the guy with the big hen spilling eggs has been taken down. Anyone get a screen shot of that? LAst year there was a video of a guy holding a fish with milt running down his hand...anyone have a copy of that?
If we can show DFW clear examples of breeding fish being caught off redds it will help our case.
I have a screen shot of that turd holding the hen squirting eggs. I can email it to you if you'd like.
This thread was just sad to read, and at the same time, disturbing. I don't know Putah well enough, so for the last few months I've avoided it all together to avoid disturbing any spawning fish. Then, to read that people are taking down signs and/or fishing for these fish, including guides and owners of fly fishing shops, is simply outrageous. I would imagine guides would know this waterway is protected and is being restored, because I've read everything I could about it, and it's not even my line of business. I'm am all for educating the ignorant, but people in the business (fly fishing guides) should really have no excuse. I don't believe in public shaming, but what do you do when those who make money off this business are the same people that are destroying it. It makes me think twice. I'm not a big poster here, but cruise the boards often. The fact that you guys have such a commitment and passion about saving this resource, makes me believe there is still hope.