Help me understand what's good for one fisherman's water wouldn't be good for another--considering that many on this forum happily fish the Stan which also has limited access, heavy fishing pressure, and a fragile ecosystem/declining salmon numbers.
Does this topic of not posting holes and hogs apply only to the Putah thread?
I imagine I willl be immediately sent to Putah Purgatory by some...but, central valley fly fishers feel just as passionately about their homewaters as many of the members of this board view Putah.
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Hear your point, but think about the entire picture. 1 post asking not to publicize and 3-4 defending/ clarifying the post regarding Putah. Forums exist as a form of communication for better or worse. We all like our secrets that we have uncovered and want to enjoy them. Unfortunately, the web exists a conduit which allows this information to be disseminated in a manner far more etxreme than we have known in the past. Hell, in the "old days" , you'd go into your fly shop and brag about a good day. Then they'd tell someone, and so on and so on. It would take weeks for that information to get out. Technology has changed all of that in an exponential manner.
I'm like everyone else, I love to talk about the great days we have. Over the years, I've learned to filter my posts and reports like everyone else. I mean who wants 200 people on your half mile of river after a great day???
Secondly. I'd bet 90% of the people who read this site fish Putah, probably 30% fish the Stan, so a post will not have the same residual effect on the Stan that it will on Putah, IMHO.
We all want ot enjoy things without sending the masses to the river. I'm not flaming on your point, rather trying to bring a different light to it.
Flying Dutchman, Not sure what to say, but sorry if the Stan will explode this weekend. Just to let everyone know the big fish was a rogue salmon that swam really fast upriver. My bad.... Fishing for trout was not that good and there were tons of people up there already... The reason I found out the Stan was fishable was from another website...
On a macro scale, I think its actually a good thing for people to hear about quality fishing experiences that will drive them to get out there and fish themselves more often. If fly fishing becomes a small secretive clique of select individuals with secret spots, secret techniques, driven by exclusivity and a desire that as few people as possible are fishing at any given time, then we will all suffer.
Fewer people fishing means fewer advocates for fisheries. Fewer people fishing means fewer advocates for fish. Fewer people fishing means that when decisions are being made in Sacramento about water flows, peripheral canals, agricultural needs etc. less importance will be put on the calls for the protection of fish stocks. Politics is a numbers game.
2 cents.
And NO I won't tell you about my secret spots! (if I had any)
-- Edited by Bob Loblaw on Wednesday 14th of September 2011 12:36:23 PM
I think your giving this board a little too much credit.
How many people are regularly active on this board? There may be 52 pages of members BUT after a few pages the activity level drops off considerably.
Bob makes some good points and I'd argue that within every group there are the self proclaimed "elitists" but by and large fly fisherman are a fun group.
I agree with Flying D in one respect...I don't see any justification for someone blasting one for posting a report with pics about Putah, and then turning around and posting there own report and pic's about some other river. Seems like this type of hippocracy happens on occassion.
Yes, I get that this is a "Putah" website, but lets be real, I'd wager that most on this board, myself certainly being one of them, fish other waters much more than they fish Putah. Moreover, I don't see Putah as any more sensitive than other local waters....they are all relatively close to big populations, ALL get hammered, all suffer from poaching, and all have much fewer numbers of trout than they did 5 or 10 years ago.
Another reason I don't like the whole bashing thing is....well, lets be real for a moment....we have selfish motivations. It's not that we don't care about the hoards of people going to a spot rapping the fish, walking on redd's, etc.,, its just that instead I think what really happens is we even, moreso, don't like others going to our local spots and reducing our catch rates and sollitude. It tends to urk me when someone says "this stream cannot handle the pressure so thats why you shouldn't post." Maybe so, but what's not said is "i really wanted to fish this weekend, and my spot is now scrued thanks to your post." If you do complain, own up to your selfishing reasoning, do not hide behind the "ecological" justification. Not saying this goes for everyone, but probably more often than not. If the person really did care about the ecological aspect, they might use the posting opportunity to educate all on how to properly C&R, wade around reds, etc., as opposed to using the opportunity simply to blast the poster.
Personally, I don't really post that much any more, but I don't have a problem when people post either. I fish the Yuba almost exclusively, and yes, the post's about "the Egg Bite is On!", the "Skwalas are Epic Right Now", etc., always come at some point, and always bring in the crowds, and always frustrate me, but hey, who cares. As to the "ecological" justification, most (emphasis on not all, unfortunately) people who read these sites are educated enough to know how to fish without having a negative impact on the fishery when they are there. As to my own "selfish" reasoning, I have learned to just get my share of fishing in while its still good and before the hoards arive, and when they do, fish early, and fish late, and fish in lesser known spots.
Enough of my rant. Feel free to post away, just don't do it about the Yuba, at least for a couple more weeks.
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Personally I have gotten to the point where I don't care what is posted here. I just go and do my thing. Reports from others mean nothing and if you plan your trips around what others post, Well thats your problem. Crowded rivers don't bother me much since most of the people out there don't have a clue as to what there doing.
I agree with you Dutchman. It isn't fair to say dont post on putah, post on a different river, but I also agree with shon. I've found that there is so much water out there that isn't posted about... It's very easy to find seclusion in water that is way better than all the popular rivers.
I talk to a number of people about the creek during the year about the water conditions, where the fish are being caught, whats flies are working, etc., as part of the PCT effort. On a one to one, they are very open to sharing, part ego and part helping the cause is my guess. This info goes only to DFG and PCT's board, if it is useful.
I feel that posting of general info like size and numbers helps stimulate interest and broadens the opportunity to put important info into the WT evaluation by getting people out there-hence my incessant nag about survey forms. Banner days for most are few and far between, especially the past 3 years, but the fish are there now. Whether or not you post here, GO FISH the creek and report the results. Take your brush cutters with you to reopen the old paths that are now so overgrown that its easy to get lost. You might have the whole creek to yourself.