if Putah closes during the winter, then why not make Putah just a Fly Fishing spot?

LilWhippersnapper wrote:

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Flyin4:20 wrote:

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if Putah closes during the winter, then why not make Putah just a Fly Fishing spot?

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The point is that flyfishermen are fishing the redds.

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i know exactly what you are talking about how flyfishermen are fishing the redds.  i myself have encountered other flyfishermen letting me know where redd is by the staircase, by the bridge, and tell me i should not fish around there and i take their words to mind.  but when i see them not hook up on any fish, they go straight in front of that redd.  matter of fact i just got home from fishin al day, and it was a good day, and i saw the marker that used to be around there all fu$ed up and scattered everywhere. now what am i suppose to do when some one tells me not ot fish there, but yet he goes and hooks up one of the most colorful fish i have ever seen. and this is my first year fly fishing. and i don't mess around the redds either.

Be the better person and either do as Lil said or walk away.

You say this is your first year fly fishing, it would seem you have enough 'common sense' to heed sensible advice. Whether others follow that is their problem(in their Fu$ked up logic).

That's how this discussion about shutting down Putah for a period of time during the winter got started. The only problem is, unless someone is willing to spearhead the project no one is going to participate and we will continue discussing this issue until the fish are all gone.

Here's a little tip I learned while combat fishing in Alaska. The next time your on the water or someone tells you not to fish an area because of whatever reason (reasonably speaking) and they go right over and do what they told you not to. As soon as they get all set up an let loose their first cast, head over to the left side of that person a good safe distance and begin your cast. Start by whipping your rod back and forth as fast as you can till you hear your line and rod singing. Make sure you actually eventually cast your line so it doesn't look like your doing it intentionally. Don't hit the person, you don't even need to be near em. If that person is close enough to hear your rod/line sing they'll either get scared and move or get pissed and go home.

I'm sure there will be a lot of controversy regarding this method but sometimes that's what it takes. When a person won't listen to reason, you gotta bring them back to reality. The fastest way is fear. Anyone else that's been through boot camp will know what I mean.

Hopefully this won't turn into winter combat fishing on Putah. May the best swordsman win.

To be honest I wouldn't do it in California. Alaska's laws are a bit different...a DFG or other law enforcement agent wouldn't bat an eye if you did that to chase away the idiots. But in Cali...that's a different story (lawsuit happy buggers)

Misanthorpe, if DFG was more around, that would be a valid point. Since their not, One can take a page from surfer's "Locals" only play book. Protect your resource, ask questions later. I'm not endorsing violence, but people will understand that certain behaviors aren't welcomed on Putah, and will be put on notice. Recent posting have seemed to present troubling views of what happens more often than not, and needs to be ended.............period!

PS - Try and be a jerk while visiting and surfing Hawaii, you won't find a sympathetic eye.

I have been reading the forum for about six months now and have been fly fishing for only 9 months.  I have fond this forum to be an awesome resource for the newbie.  You guys have got me so scared of upsetting the reds that I wont tread on any gravel.  That is a good thing I suppose.
But the "locals only" thing seems a little lame.  I grew up surfing Nor cal and remember when 25 guys out at O.B. was a crowd.  There were always the "local" a-holes who threatend violence and they were the least respected and usually the least talented.  It was the older locals that were friendly who earned the respect. When you say bring in localalism, I picture hanging out in the parking lots drinking malt liquor and thrashing peoples cars.  Yes I am a new guy, so I guess part of the "problem", but the last time I looked, there were no houses along the creek and everyone seems to travel to the creek.  The crowds in the line-up have never stopped me from getting waves and sure I have had to inform guys that they were being idiots, but the whole "localism" stuff is crap.  When heckled by a supposed local, a friend responded with, "what, are you a f*&king Miwok? 

Neli, this site has had an influence on you, you didn't want to fish the Redds, my point, wish I had remembered that.

Funny stuff. I have found that fly fishing is best when you and your buddies are the only only ones in the area. If you come across others exchange flies that are working and tell them where the fish are. Fly fishing is fun!!

I haven't been up in a few weeks but if memory serves, there is nothing posted to inform the un-informed about spawning beds(I've seen the red/pink submerged ribbons, but why are they called redds?). Only through the dialogue on this site and personal reading have I learned that spawning fish and spawning areas need special consideration. An author wrote, " I don't fish when they are spawning for the same reason I don't hit on women in the maternity ward. It's just tacky." Shouldn't there be signs, just like the ones posted(year round) about Nov-Apr restrictions, pertaining to redds? If nothing else, no one can pull the, "How was I suppossed to know" b.s.
I am in full support of ANY measure to preserve this fishery. I ask this next question because I don't know. Is fishing redds illegal, or just bad form. Regardless, you won't find me fishing one, I was just curious. See you up there. I am the tallest guy,always.

Beastie wrote:

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If this is such an issue, why arent there signs at each identified "redd" so that people who dont know what one is will know.
 
Would you really want to see signs all along the creek?  The cost and time to install and maintain said signs comes from?

And these signs will explain, or at least try to explain the importance of why you shouldnt fish there.

Kind of like the regs and signs that already state the creek is closed to bait fishing?

Maybe Im wrong with this statement, but arent all the fish in Putah spawning at this time of year??

I'd venture to say that most adult fish are either pre, post or actively spawning this time of the year.

I mean how do you selectively catch a fish??

Very common.

I dont fish the redds, but ive caught spawners that werent "on" the redd.

I've caught a lot of spawners over the year that weren't "on" a redd that I knew about.  Live and learn.

All I know is, as long as Putah remains open in the winter, im fishing it.

At this point all one can ask for is common sense and a care for the resources that are being used.

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This really is ridiculous. Putah is open for fishing, so I fish it despite the spawning season. I fish for steelhead during spawning season. What this really comes down to is everyones personal opinion, which you are entitled to, but the bottom line is that the creek is open to fishing and thats that. Ill be hooking up soon.

ok guys, once again, cant we all just get along. we need to band together for a better cause, not to bash people, but to inform people of their wrong doing, and show them the right path to success. this cackling aint gettin us no were. we are all better than this. i know we are all much more mature than this as well. we are all acting like kids here. bet we wouldnt act like this in person

that a boy drifter...I thought I lost it...you the man ....

Otter wrote:

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As the old saying goes it is what it is!!! If you throw the eggs out there some hot female is bound to take it. Again you can have much more fun on other fisheries than Putah. The fish are hot!!

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Like the spot we fished on saturday Otter, Now that was pretty fun !


-- Edited by shon42073 at 13:39, 2009-01-11