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its been awhile since my last post...computer crashed on me..whit what iv been reading the creek is not doing to well...nobody has posted anything...confusedconfusedconfusedconfusedconfusedconfused...whats going on as late...???

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Went up Sunday for a few hours, flows are low but very fishable.  Water is VERY clear, maybe the clearest I've ever seen.  The fish have to be able to see us climbing on the banks.  Even the slightest movements put ripples across the slow moving water.  Seems like stealth is really important now.  The good news is that there was nobody on the creek, only a couple of people.  Fishing was a bit on the slow side.  Fished at #3, got a couple of 12" natives.  Did not make it up by the bridge.

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I fished Putah for a few weekends in a row (between #2 and #5). This weekend seemed to contrast with the previous few weeks. Last 2 weeks were pretty good, despite the 43 cfs of last weekend, but this Saturday was much slower for me. Much less bugs and fish activity this weekend (last week, I witnessed tons of raises all day in some of my favorite spots, which was unusual; not a single one this week. Some huge mayflies hatches in the evening, much less this week). Not a fish to be seen where they were stacking and easy to spot in the last few week. I noticed they were becoming spookier over the last couple weeks with the flows dropping, but this week they seemed simply gone. The water level also seemed a bit lower and the current even slower than last week in the lower part of the creek, but maybe it's just me... Still managed to catch a few small wild guys but the numbers are much lower than the previous couple weeks. I guess I just have to figure out where the fish hang out with the extremely low flows... maybe in 20 years I'll be able to say "it's easy"!  smile.gif

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met a friend at the creek at 4:30 today.Flow was 50...there are some really good places to fish and the fish are stacked up in some of the smallest places as well as some of the bigger runs...

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I fished today below the bridge. I got a couple of dinks. I also fished at the upper section of 3. I got another dink there.

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Fished the creek last sunday, Got a few small guys to hand. Problem was they were all over rusty spinners and i only had white ones and they were having none of it, This went on pretty good for about 2 hours in the late morning about 9 to 11. It's getting late in the year and my fly boxes are getting seriously depleted, Not having what ya need is frustating to say the least.

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Shon ya gotta tie atleast a couple times a week to keep up with good habits.

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Matt R wrote:

Shon ya gotta tie atleast a couple times a week to keep up with good habits.




Here is how I look at tying.  If I tie one fly a day on average for the whole year, I will have tied 365 flies by the end of the year.  It's almost November, and I know that I have that number beat.

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I don't tie my own flies. The plan is to make that this years christmas gift to myself, Some killer fly tying stuff.

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I don't tie my own flies. The plan is to make that this years christmas gift to myself, Some killer fly tying stuff.




Shon,
It sounds like you plan on spoiling yourself.  Getting good tools and materials help a lot.  If you can get some instruction, more power to you. 

I hope you enjoy tying.

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The plan is to make that this years christmas gift to myself, Some killer fly tying stuff.



Good decision. I did just that last year (although I chose a cheap vise). After many, many hours spent at the vise learning, I can now proudly say that I tie pretty much all the flies I use (which, when I think about it, are limited to variations of a handful of patterns). But I feel like I can tie pretty much anything I want since I can execute most basic techniques. My flies aren't always pretty (even less consistent), but they catch enough fish - most of the time. Very satisfying.

Just don't buy all the materials for all the flies you think you will tie for the next 10 years at once... or you will soon realize that you don't have what you actually need anyway and you will go back to the fly shop every week for a while to get the stuff that you need for that new pattern you want to tie...

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Bugger,
I'm still making trips to the local fly shop for materials every week!  biggrin  Which reminds me that I need some .035" lead wire.  It looks like that I'm getting out of the fly shop cheap this time.

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Fly tying is always fun to get into but it takes time to get the hang of it so give it time and it will pay off. The fun thing about tying is that you are starting from scratch and can end up tying some killer patterns and catching some nice fish! there's nothing like catching a pig o n your own tied fly. Another thing is if you get frustrated while tying a fly, you can stop and pick it off right where you left off!

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AbelBoy wrote:

Bugger,
I'm still making trips to the local fly shop for materials every week!  biggrin  Which reminds me that I need some .035" lead wire.  It looks like that I'm getting out of the fly shop cheap this time.

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You already tied over 365 flies this year! I bet you go through a couple of those wire spools in a year. I'm not anywhere near there yet!

Now that I have a bunch of different materials (and a tiny bit of experience), I can often find a suitable substitute... I rarely follow fly "recipes" to the letter. But there is always that other color or size...

-- Edited by Bugger at 20:57, 2008-10-29

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Shaun-I highly recommend a class or -- even cheaper -- have a competent, patient friend walk you through the basics to speed up the learning curve.

Bugger-That one "needed" material is just the excuse I need for stopping by the shop after work!  biggrin  

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Bugger,
If you want to get your fly count up, a couple dozen San Juan Worms.  Tie them up in two different sizes and two different colors.  This is the easiest fly to tie up in a production run.  It might even be the deadliest tailwater fly around.

Since you are starting to substitute different materials, try using Ice Dub for your nymph bodies.  In some cases, I am using it instead of pea**** herl.

AB

PS  I love the word filter. biggrin

-- Edited by AbelBoy at 00:06, 2008-10-30

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I know many have sucess with the San Juan worm but this is one fly i don't fish often... I have a few in red and tan in my box but they rarely see the water. I woudn't know what to do with a couple dozens more!

On the other hand, size 20-22 wire midges with glass beads and zebra midges are also easy and quick to tie and have been good for me in the last month at Putah... so I tied a lot of them in different colors and variations. Same for my  simple generic mayfly nymphs on TMC 2457/87 size 18-20 (I'm out of size 16...). I need to go get some soon. I need Ice Dub too! And beads... biggrin  



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Funny, this started as a fishing putah topic and its turned into a fly tying discussion. Anyways, Do you guys think the most important patterns to learn would be how to tie a hares ear and a pheasant tail, then the variations can take off from those two basic patterns ??? Of course the thread fly's like small midges are whats probably going to be needed for winter time putah fishing, I'm sure those are cake to tie. How many of you guys actually tie all your own dry's ? One more thing.....Who's gonna be out in the rain this weekend wackin trout ? flows are looking pretty good.

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Shon,
I would probably say you are on the right track of basic flies.  The Hare's Ear and the Pheasant Tail have had evolved into many variations.  Olsen's Guide's Choice is a soft hackle variation of the Hare's Ear.  Peterson's Skinny Nelson is a variation of the PT.  I would probably a couple more fly to the mix.  The Bird's Nest and Fox's Poohpah are other flies that have evolved into other variations.  Rick Anderson's Bird of Prey is a variation of the Bird's Nest.  The Mangy Pooper is a variation of Fox's Poopah.

In regards to dries, I tie most of them.  When it comes to anything with spun deer hair, I buy them.  I buy a lot of terrestrials.  Or if I see a cool new pattern, I'll buy a few.

If I fish out in the weather tomorrow, it most likely would be on the Yuba.  With gray skies, a strong BWO hatch might happen.  Also I have the urge to swing a soft hackle.

If you fish, enjoy yourself.

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One thing you don't want to waste your time tying is that damn B/C Hopper.......There's 60+ steps in that mofo before the whip finish! I'm cool off that.

Learn to tie the patterns you use the most and fly tying will benefit you the most.

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Come over to Kiene's Saturday and I'll give you some good ideas and direction to take your patterns.

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I think this forum has some of the most knowledgable fly fishers around, All you guys know your stuff. Agree Abelboy, In theory the BWO's should be lovin this weather, Think I'll wait on the yuba until above the bridge reopens. Wish I could make that trip up to keines saturday but cant.

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Hay all you fly tiers! We still need 4 more tiers to make a streamer swap. This one will be a little different and everyone wil make 14 flies so everyone gets 2 of each fly

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Why not?

Count me in.

When are they due?

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There is no official due date since we still need 3 more tiers. Just watch for wt to post more info on it. When we get enough tiers he will pm us his address.

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Putah fished well today, A new pattern I tryed worked well today, An all white #20 midge did the trick. I figured I'd hide the report in an existing topic, Make em look around for info rofl.gif

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Good idea, Shon. Spent yesterday afternoon at Putah. Was relatively slow, hooked 2 quickly on a BWO nymph to start but lost both and then nothing for a while... After changing flies several times without success, I decided I needed something very different... idea like a red San Juan Worm! biggrin Well, within 3-4 casts I had a nice wild guy about 12" to hand with a red worm in the corner of its mouth. And a few more later on the mayfly dropper. Lost the red worm and used a tan one again with a mayfly dropper, got a couple more to hand to end the day. So I guess I'll be tying a few more worms... I think sometimes it pays to show them something they don't see 100 times a day.

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True that, Bugger, on throwing something totally different.  One time I gave my friend a Crazy Charlie which is a Bonefish fly.  Somehow the fly found its way into his trout box.  Call it fly migration.  We were out fishing on the NV side of the East Carson.  A big brown was holding up against a bank.  We threw every streamer that we had at it.  I gave up.  He tied on the Crazy Charlie and made his cast.  He stripped the line twice, and the brown took the fly.  After alll was said and done, he landed a 20" female.  Who woulda thunk it?

Definitely not a trout fly, but it worked.
Crazy Charlie

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A couple of days ago after a slow morning in which the fish seemed to want nothing I put in a size 14 san juan and my clients second cast landed a 13" wild bow. I will always use a san juan during or after a rain event and have had pretty good luck at times. Three years ago after a very slow morning at access #5 I decided to try a steelhead fly called "midnight fire" that I use on the Umpqua. This fly is a sparkle blue color with a red yarn butt and a bead head and was a size 12,the 25" brown trout took the fly on the first cast. Surprised to say the least! Now keep in mind that I have tried that fly on Putah a number of times since but no dice.

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