so the fall season will be coming soon, and seeing how the lil truckee fishing in the fall before they close it because of snow. i know ill be going up there a few times before the closure, as also know that the browns and kokes come up into it to spawn, which also brings in the bigger fish to eat the eggs. what i dont know is how does it fish in the fall, have any one fished the lil T in the fall, as well as when does it really start popping off in the fall. lastly would anyone like to go up with me when i get back from vacation.
either shoot me a pm, or just post.
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I've fished the Little T quite a bit in the fall. I've not seen Kokanee come up to spawn, but I imagine they do, I mean they have to. The browines certainly do (much like Putah). I'm also not aware of an egg bite on the river. The fishing can be great. You can fish it in the winter by either snowshoeing or snowmobiling in. The spring fishing is okay, but winter is tough. I'd think the fall is much better on the Yuba, Feather or Lower Sac with the Salmon runs.
seems to me, the flows are usually lower on the little T by this time of year and thru the fall which keeps me on the big T. flows have acually been really good for both rivers this year if only the water was colder. the kokes from boca should come up and spawn in the fall probably late fall. But fall is really prime for the big T if you ask me. those big trout know whats a comin and they get there eats on while they can.
well thanks for all the info. as far as the egg bit goes on the LT, i have had some great success in spring time around april. thats the only time that i have fished it, but ill get up there a few times in the fall to fish it. when does it start fishing well. as far as the flows, you are right matt r, they are staying up there pretty well this yr, normally from what i have heard they are much lower this time of yr.
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Hey Brian, the Little Truckee can be good in the Fall but there are much better options out there. The Big T as mentions is good. The Pit is phenomenal in the Fall and since you'd be in that area so is the Lower Sac, Upper Sac and the McCloud. Some of the lakes really turn on too, Eagle Lake in November can be great.....don't limit yourself to a few locations, there is great water all over Northern California.
well now that i have a howbie float cat (thanks black cloud) i would really like to float heenen lake up near the east carson, it opens aug 30th. dont forget about the feather and the american. ill be doing a crap load of fishing this fall. and those ones you posted about ill be on everyone, maybe not the upper sac, but who knows, oh ya and the trinity, only 3 hours away, so ill fish that a few times too.
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I read an article today that said the truckee is getting pretty warm and the little truckee is better due to lower water temps. It is possible I have this backwards, Just thought you guys might like to know that. There was also recently a big load of fingerling lohanton cutthroats planted in the west carson so this may be a good thing for the future of that river. The hatchery's are having to do massive plants now due to high water temps in the hatchery's. It's either plant em or loose em.
I talked to fly fishing guide, Rick Fox. He had a taught a class on the Truckee two Saturdays ago. He measured the water temperature at 74 degrees on the Big T. The Little Truckee, from another report, was measured at 64 degrees.
the litl t is on fire right not, not temp wise but fish wise, bring the 7x and hopper dropper time, pmds as well.
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i havent fished it since july but my sources that i talk to 3 times a week are telling me this. even my source at the aces hardware in truckee say the same thing. fishing very very well right now. but need to down size on tippet. 7x.
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64 degrees on the LT??? Yeah right. How much dope are your sources smokin? How can you give advice on a place you haven't fished since July?
Don't believe people unless you know how, when, where they fish...A lot of fly shops and guides "promote fishing" - I'd like to see how many fish you land on the hopper-dropper with 7x tippet, Brian. Don't listen to those dudes at Mtn hardware they are BSing you.
And yes I know its 7x on the dropper only. That won't turn a hopper over with 7x on the leader.
Seriously, let me know how many you land. Hell, let me know how many you hook on that rig too.
And I'll buy a 6 pack for whoever can catch the most fish and biggest brown on the big Truckee.
I figure i'll just hit it with an open mind, adjust as needed and work hard, thats all that you can do. If it works out great, if not, hell at least i spent a weekend fishing. It's just another river with trout in it. You guys act as though its some kinda holy grail of fly fishing
I was up on the Truckee a few weeks ago, didn't measure the water temp but it was way warm. I highly doubt 64 on the LT, that water comes out of the bottom of Stampede res...always cold.
When we are up there next weekend we might have to make some decisions on where we fish if the Big T is too warm and the LT is too crowded. The LT gets pounded on the weekends. There are lots of other options in the area that I know of :)
Better yet guys, there's this great new brewpub that opened by the house called the 50/50 Brewpub. it's a true Microbrewery with good eats as well. I agree with Rich, the Truckee can get real warm, while the Little T stays pretty cool. There's another good local stream or two as well that should be good. I was hoping it would be cooler at this time of year, but hey it ain't always perfect. The beauty about the Sierra is that there's a bunch of options to say the least.
The little truckee is poorly managed. The water may be cold coming out of the dam, but at 50cfs during the summer the water quickly becomes very warm. I have seen large trout floating dead downstream during the summer. Other fish are in water that is only five inches deep barely alive. Fighting these fish during the summer flows only stresses them out even more.
Ok guys here is the facts on water temp related to trout, these are the facts and cannot be argued, straight from the McClane fishing encyclopedia. Brown trout lethal limit is 84 to 86 degrees brown trout preffered temp 54.3 to 63.6 degrees.......brook trout lethal limit is at 77 degrees preffered is 57.2 to 60.8 (the chars are less tolerant then trout)......rainbow trout lethal limit mid 80's depending on size of fish and rate of temp change, rainbow preffered temp below 70 degrees. So why would the truckee be to warm, It is not by any means anywhere near the lethal limit for trout and really is not far from there preffered temps. Its hard to argue with scientific facts. Know your quarry, more imnportant then calling fly shops for reports IN MY HUMBLE OPINION
Ok guys here is the facts on water temp related to trout, these are the facts and cannot be argued, straight from the McClane fishing encyclopedia.
There is always room for argument with so-called facts. Do the previously stated lethal limits apply to healthy fish? In high-pressure fisheries, where fish are caught repeatedly throughout the season, the fish may not be 100% healthy. A fish that is already stressed will have a lower lethal limit. Their lethal limit is anybody's guess. For this reason we need to avoid targeting fish in water that is above their preferred temperature range.
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Ok guys here is the facts on water temp related to trout, these are the facts and cannot be argued, straight from the McClane fishing encyclopedia. Brown trout lethal limit is 84 to 86 degrees brown trout preffered temp 54.3 to 63.6 degrees.......brook trout lethal limit is at 77 degrees preffered is 57.2 to 60.8 (the chars are less tolerant then trout)......rainbow trout lethal limit mid 80's depending on size of fish and rate of temp change, rainbow preffered temp below 70 degrees. So why would the truckee be to warm, It is not by any means anywhere near the lethal limit for trout and really is not far from there preffered temps. Its hard to argue with scientific facts. Know your quarry, more imnportant then calling fly shops for reports IN MY HUMBLE OPINION
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So now we're getting all scientific.....I can easily argue these so called facts.
I'll tell you right now, the stuff you posted doesn't matter. The fact is of the water is getting to the lethal limit, there aint gonna be trout in the water. Because they would be dead....DED.
trout move to different holding and feeding places when the water is warmer. I am assuming you know, that cold water has a higher level of dissolved oxygen than warm water.
A rainbow trout in the truckee river that has been under countinuous stress all summer from:
a. Anglers, swimmers, rafters b. Water temps rising since the beginning of summer aka June c. diminishing insect activity. Oh yeah of course there's always midges... d. water flows e. Being caught and released over and over again.
You think, Shon, that these trout are 100% healthy and they are just gonna spring outta the water for your #12 Royal wulff because its not the lethal limit?
They are highly stressed, highly cautious. they will not fight as hard or as long because their already stressed out body is getting more stressed when you're setting the hook in their mouth.
Personally, I think your "scientific" facts suck. Science involves genetic mutation and adaptation...Brook trout in Labrador and rainbow trout in AK do fine in water in the 40's. In fact they do great! How do you think they would do if the water was, say 69 degrees??? What about 76 degrees...? Do you think that wouldf impact their population, not to mention the salmon runs?
Every fish and its habitat is different, you cannont generalized based on some encyclopedia. It is all subjective. if you think fish aren't dying in the truckee when the temps push above 70, you are wrong. I have watched fly fisherman incorrectly revive fish in many waters during the summer months and the fish dies....
one thing i can agree with you on is to know your quarry. Know everything there is to know and you will make your way to be 10% of the anglers who rope in 90% of the fish. Warm water or not, there are still plenty of fish to be caught on the T and there are many places you can go where the water is cooler.
I happen to agree with Shon. If you want to know anything about fishing McClanes is the book. And if you do not know who A.J. McClane is do some reading.
Yeah, A.J McClane's writing is cool. I just thought posting some general ideas about water temp would be something to think about. Thanx for adding your 2 cents dtp, all good points to consider.
I know plenty about fishing and have absolutely no idea who this McClanes cat is.(isnt he running for president?) Hell than again I'm trippin on the fact that there's a fish encyclopedia. wtf is that? but kissin a royal wulffs a$$ that was funny.
GO FISH!!!!!!!! atleast go fly some ties or tie some flies you decide
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