using a spinning reel setup on putah creek

rgloft · Senior Member

RE: using a spinning reel setup on putah creek

LilWhippersnapper · Senior Member

Jer5150 wrote:

�Six words folks.

Baitfishing ain't always a bad thing.

That's true... I still throw bait for striper if I can't them on a lure, but wild trout on a beautiful river. That's a different story.

rgloft · Senior Member

I've been watching this string for about a week now and have some questions. 1) What's the difference between a "wild" and a "native" trout; and how do you tell the difference?and is that definitive

sehoner · Veteran Member

A "wild" trout is a trout that has hatched from an egg in the stream where it was spawned (adipose fin still intact).

A "native" trout is a trout that has hatched from an egg in a stream where it was spawned, BUT that trout comes from a line of trout that are indigenous to the stream. Meaning they are not descended from hatchery fish.

With the widespread stocking programs instituted by DFG decades ago (I think it is close to 100 yrs) there are very few "native" trout left in the system. There are some native trout and native trout streams tat DFG has not stocked, but these are remote and are less likely to be of the rainbow sub-specie.

Someone correct me if I am wrong.

Rich.

JT · Senior Member

I've seen the "wild" definition used more loosely to include hatchery holdovers that have acclimated and become "wild."�

sehoner · Veteran Member

Ya so have I, but to me there is a difference between a fish that was "born wild" and a fish that has "gone wild".

To me a wild fish will still have the adipose fin.

Bugger · Senior Member

To complicate things, DFG plants fingerlings in many backcountry lakes... These guys look and feel very much like wild fish when they grow up. Except that�all the rainbows in the lake are the same size (assuming absence of natural reproduction)...�

Sehoner, I've never (after only 1�year of fishing) seen a planted trout with its adipose fin removed. They do this for steelhead but I believe they don't bother for most put-and-take rainbows. Instead, the planters sometimes have their pectoral fins rubbed off... (but I've also seen much better "quality" planters, with nice colors and intact fins.)

gudawg · Veteran Member

This is from the dept of fish and game website http://www.dfg.ca.gov/fish/Resources/WildTrout/WT_NativeVsWild.asp
Native or Wild Trout...Is there a difference?
A wild trout is a trout that was born in the wild and spends its life cycle in the wild, regardless of the origin of its parents or ancestors. A native trout is a trout that was found here originally, prior to human influences. A wild brown trout is not native to California. A coastal rainbow trout is a native California trout (even if it came from a hatchery). A golden trout born in the Little Kern River is a wild, native trout.

brian clemens · Senior Member

and it keeps going and going and going.

hey gudawd, when you start glowing green i bet you will stop eating wild trout. if u want trout, eat planters, not ones from the valley though, they taste like crap. you can get good tasting planter trout up in the sierras, or even uvr, ihr, those fish taste really god. again, we all love the taste of fish, but at what cost. leave the wild fish alone, unless you wanna glow green.

i think there are a few stubborn peeps on this board that just dont care,and will never learn what this board is really intented for. its not to prove how big of a putah trout i can catch on bait, keep it then eat it, and share with us what spices you used, how long you marinated it as well as cooked it. i dont care. shoot this is a fly fishing website, not a bait fishing website. you wanna talk about chucking bait on putah or any other body of water go to fishsniffer or something. its one thing to log in to read the posts to see how putah is fishing, or ask questions, but to purposely throw out there that I used bait and i catch pigs on putah and keep them is not needed. we are trying to make putah a better fishery, trying to make it a wild trout river, why harm something so perfect just to eat a fish.

why do we bother guys. i know for the fish.

Flyin4:20 · Veteran Member

i've been reading this topic for quite sometime, about a spinning set-up in putah.�one thing i have to say for myself is i started out with an ultra-lite 5 ft. UGLY STICK, with salmon eggs, in Putah.�i'm very picky on the fish i'd like to eat, so most of the hook ups i got from the UGLY STICK were about 8-10".�nice little boogers to hook up, but, Itell you no lie, 95% of the fish i caught this year were all tossed back cause they were small. with me i brought home�at leat 2,�11-13" trout�when i fished with my Ugly Stick��since April,2008 till mid Nov., i have only brought home 12 fish from that creek during the April to Nove regulation.�to me C & R is so fun, even with my UGLY STICK.� i finally took the knowledge that was given to me when i took a fly class up the Carson River where it was nothing but C & R, and started flyin in Putah in August this year.
�With all this being said, while learning how to fly, i actually saw a few, and i mean a few Fly Fishermen with a creel, or a little bag strapped around their waste and bringing home a limit.(during limit reg.)i have also been told by Flyers to not fish around the redds. totally understand why not, but yet i saw acouple flyers this weekend fishin the redd by the bridge. it ain't my place to say you can't keep fish from Putah, but i do want to share my opinion:�

BAIT or FLY, just follow he rules, and pick up your garbage after you fish.�and stop giving advice to the rookie flyers about how to conserve this creek when you're gonna break them yourself.� what pisses me off more than a poacher is a friggin HYPOCRITE.

i've encountered DFG arrest a fisherman for having a license but had 13 trout.(8 in the cooler and 5 on a stringer). and he was going to try and catch more. DFG slapped him with a fat FINE, all his gear taken away, and a parking ticket.� all i'm saying if you are out to fish, no matter what kind of set up you got, make sure you have a valid LICENSE.� cause you could be the greatest Flyfisherman or the dopest bait fisherman, but if you aint got the "L"s, id'hate to see your SAGE rod, your waders your flies, or Ugly Stick and your tacke box full of your grandfathers old hand me down lures taken away and get slapped with a fatty fine.
For the record i am a happy fisherman who abides the law(cause they ain't taking my Pfluger set up or my Ugly Stick set up.
All fishermen unite, and form VOLTRON biggrin

.� Follow the gosh darn rules for cryin out loud!

-- Edited by Flyin4:20 at 17:37, 2008-12-22

-- Edited by Flyin4:20 at 17:39, 2008-12-22

bono · Master Fly Fishing Guide

WOW it finally seems to be winding down.This fly-vs-bait or spin fishing debate will always be a hot one and will probably never go away.We all have our own opinions and most of these posted above are valid.I come from a strong background of lure and bait fishing but made the leap into flys about 25 years ago and never went back and now have become a conservationist because of it. And yes I too took a walk on the wild side,when I first started flyfishing after a few months of zero luck I temporarily slipped back into the world of bait.I dug around and found a worm and stuck it on my fly then attempted to cast it without losing it.Didnt work ,nuff said.Anyway lets just all get along,be respectfull to one another and respectfull to the fish. Happy holidays. Bono

gudawg · Veteran Member

yay

ONEWEIGHT · Senior Member

As a good friend of mine, who guides on the Truckee and Little Truckee, once told me . . . don't compete with your customers!!!� These fish are our customers.��Send them back for the next trip.� When I began fly fishing again, I found it hard to catch a fish and release it.� Now, I cannot imagine keeping a fish, anywhere, anytime.� Safeway sells fish to eat for a very reasonable price . . . usually better tasting too!!!!�� Cold beer is very close by in the beer cooler as well.� Let's move on.

yukon mike · Senior Member

Dear Gudawg,

I grew up with a nice Garcia spin rig my dad got for me. �I never caught

a single thing on it, but I had fun anyway. �When I learned about fly fishing

it wasn't because of any kind of higher plane of concencness (sp whatever)

it was because you discover there is a game to play that you can't buy

at the store. �No matter how good you think you have gotten at it, the fish

will quite often let you know that they think you are some kind of joke.

Other times, they can land in a skillet.

Your pal,

Mike