using a spinning reel setup on putah creek

shon42073 · Senior Member

RE: using a spinning reel setup on putah creek

Lahontan · Senior Member

ohhh yes!� 2 pages of deep intellectual debate. Fall must be coming. wink

Nice "drop in" windknots.� I notice that veteran posters here can usually

get in and out of these threads without taking themselves too seriously,

nor getting their�boxers in a bunch!� SK60: good one, "the great

guide/spawner debate of 2007" was memorable for sure! Nothing wrong with

Shodon's question. Not a bad idea to get the "lay of the land" before trying to

get to 3rd base though!� This forum rocks!� There's a lot of good commentary

on both sides, and of course it's always a little fun when things get a bit,

emmm heated.�

Thanks for the entertainment all.�� yawn

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windknots · Senior Member

I think it's important to focus on the end-goal, which is a healthy self-sustaining wild fishery. Something like special regulations for single barbless artificial with slot limits through the summer and catch and release through the winter would mean that people can keep some fish and the fishery would still be healthy. In fact, culling the right ones can help improve the fishery for larger fish.

The whole scene of weekend crowds chasing the dfg trucks for hatchery plants is absurd and has short and long term negative impact on the fisheries. Regardless of what method you use we all need to put the health of the creek first and learn to live within it's limits of what it can support.

sspidermann59 · Newbie

SK60 wrote:

In the future, when the rubber hits the road for this creek for Wild Trout status designation, do you want to add to this fight (yes, there will be a fight) the negative comments of every non-flyfishing fisherman that has a stake in seeing that WT status doesn't happen? It seems to me that bridge building to a common ground is better than dissing those we may not agree with.

�Wild Trout status designation means exactly what at Putah.........?
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�I would be for a trout sancuary. Off limits to any style of fishing.

� sk60, What are you fighting for? Different/new regulations?
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memebop · Veteran Member

Getting your fly caught in a spinner?

ScottyP · Member

RE: using a spinning reel setup on putah creek

gudawg · Veteran Member

WOW this post is still going! I have to get my ugly stick up there before the season closes, though was thinking there may be some luck with a egg fliy and a puffball in place of salmon eggs and maybe a finess worm .

shon42073 · Senior Member

Can you guys please dispense of your nightcrawler containers, salmon egg jars, and most of all your tangled gobs of monofilament properly, I've seen to many guys toss a gob of mono on the ground, The problem could be avoided if you spool your spinning reel up properly. One thing that pisses me off the most is when I get my feet all tangled up in that crap wink

gudawg · Veteran Member

yer tellin me! and the friggin beer and soda cans everywhere! I cant understand how someone who loves fishing and the outdoors can leave trash behind! we pick it up too, I rarely leave the spot Im fishing without putting trash in my pack

new_user · Member

If you want to use a spinning set up properly, here's how I do it. When the flows are high, (OR IF THE FLOWS ARE VERY LOW) use a kastmaster in any deep runs you can find. Cut off two of the hooks off the treble hook (that come with a kastmaster) and pinch back the barb on the remaining hook. You will catch fish...not large fish, but lots of planters.

In "mid" flows...if you want to catch large trout in putah use live worms (dig them up in your backyard...not nightcrawlers) or flies. Tye a very small hook onto the terminal end of your line and put splitshot 10-15 inches above that. Put enough splitshot on to give yourself enough weight to cast, but not so much that you can't get a good drift. Then fish pools and deep runs, especially the areas inbetween runs and more calm water (laterally).

Fishing with flies and a spinning reel is simple. Just do the same as for worms. Casting bubbles help you cast to where the guys with the waders go, but spook fish (prolly no more than wading) and add a lot of resistance to a strike...much more so than a fly fisherman's strike indicator. But if you know how to read them you can do really well and not spend $300 on waders.

Grasshoppers, crickets, and any other bugs you can hook will catch you really big trout if you fish them properly. You will never catch memorable fish with powerbait & c. AND...catching fish with a spinning rod is nowhere�NEAR as fun as with a fly rod. But I do both...

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sehoner · Veteran Member

new_user wrote:
...You will never catch memorable fish with powerbait & c. AND...catching fish with a spinning rod is nowhere�NEAR as fun as with a fly rod. But I do both...

Now wait just a doggone minute here. I caught a nice 15" wild bow this spring with orange PB.

You wanna hear the kicker? I caught it on a fly rod converted over to a spinning rod. That was the first ever wild bow I have caught and I remember it. It was THE prettiest fish I have ever seen.

So what if you drift a fly with a spinning rod? Are you spin fishing or fly fishing?

And for that matter I would like to know how many of you GURU's have ever caught a fly while fly fishing?

huh huh...yeah.

Obey the rules, Take only what you need, If you don't need to keep it to eat then don't keep it, Pack it in-Pack it out and lets everyone remember...regardless of what is attached to your hook we are all still fisherman. And we are a dying breed.

Rich.

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LilWhippersnapper · Senior Member

sehoner wrote:

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new_user wrote:
...You will never catch memorable fish with powerbait & c. AND...catching fish with a spinning rod is nowhere�NEAR as fun as with a fly rod. But I do both...

Now wait just a doggone minute here. I caught a nice 15" wild bow this spring with orange PB.

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15 inches isn't a memorable trout. Come back when you get them in the 20's.

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brian clemens · Senior Member

so lilwhippersnapper we gonna try to get you into the 20"er club tomorrow or what. hahaha

AC22 · Senior Member

well you have that kind of reputation......there are alwasy a$* h*l3$ in fishing but generally i comes from your ilk >_>

gudawg wrote:

Since you guys have decided you are the stewards of putah creek and want all of us non fly fishers to be more responsible, more consevation minded and more like (you) minded by all means be rude disrespectful snobs cause that ishow to win us over to your side! I understand your frustration and all the anger that goes along with watching the off season poachers and all manner of jack a$$@$�that come up to OUR fabulous year round trout fishery but when some one asks your opinion you might want to cultivate a new friend who will care for the fishery! Putah creek is a resource MOST of us want to protect and most of us will respect and care for. Piss off a newbe with a can of worms and a spinning rod and he may keep every fish he catches native or stock big or small and not have the opportunity to learn from such well intentioned anglers as yourself.�

AC22 · Senior Member

In "mid" flows...if you want to catch large trout in putah use live worms� (dig them up in your backyard...not nightcrawlers)

live bait is a no no on putah
jesus cries every time you catch a fish on a live worm

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keith bigelow · Webmaster

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mx19 · Senior Member

Im sure none of you guys are half as mean or half as tough as your coming off ...Im on the creek a lot and I have yet to see a 8ft, 300lb ,ugly, mean ,scary looking dude packing a machine gun with a 14" knife strapped to the barrel chasing down little tiny harmless 12" trout....I read through all the different post's and� for the most part it's the same guys doing all the boo hoo finger pointing....One of the biggest problems on this site with regular forum members who post�a lot�is the size of their ego...I hooked and lost a 6" wopper, tripped and fell in� face first , broke my rod I over paid for, lost one lens out of my fish finder x ray vison sun glasses , ripped a hole in my leak proof waders and then� watched my long time friend�Mr. Ego float down river and out of reach for ever...Best day on the water if you ask me.... smile
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gudawg · Veteran Member

I love that this post is still goin strong! Dialog is all good!

sehoner · Veteran Member

LilWhippersnapper wrote:
sehoner wrote:
new_user wrote:
...You will never catch memorable fish with powerbait & c. AND...catching fish with a spinning rod is nowhere�NEAR as fun as with a fly rod. But I do both...
Now wait just a doggone minute here. I caught a nice 15" wild bow this spring with orange PB.

15 inches isn't a memorable trout. Come back when you get them in the 20's.

As an angler that normally use 20" fish FOR BAIT...a 15" wild bow is memorable-especially when it is your FIRST wild rainbow.

Kinda like the first time you had sex. It wasn't the greatest time ever, but it was memorable because it was your first.

To regress a bit, before I was enlightened as to the wonderful ways of the fly I myself was victim of the ever snooty-hoight-toighty ways of the flymasters.

"Oh you smelly bait fisherman. You are the bane of the existence of all fisherman everywhere. You are the reason for the degredation of our streams and fish stocks! Let them all go we say to thee ignorant and�feeble� minded. Be ye not wicked in your pursuits of our most precious resource."

I love to fish, no matter the lure. I pay my dues just like everyone else on here. Collectively, we as fisherman need to quash the infighting because there are those that want to do away with fishing...PERIOD.�

Besides, what are you guys like five?� I mean come on...seriously.

My dad can beat up your dad!

Rich.

LilWhippersnapper · Senior Member

sehoner wrote:

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As an angler that normally use 20" fish FOR BAIT...a 15" wild bow is memorable-especially when it is your FIRST wild rainbow.

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�Any fish is memorable when it's you first...Doesn't mean it's a trophy fish.

What are you catching with a 20 inch bait....Sharks?

sehoner · Veteran Member

Actually...yeah. Stripers and sturgeon as well. I remember back before I ever started fly fishing, there was this guy I worked with. He was a manager and he used to try and "talk" to me about fly fishing. I liked the guy well enough, but I used to give him hell about fly fishing.

I would say things like, " so you fly guys go out and spend 500 on a rod, another 200 on a reel, plus 200 for your waders and another 150 for your shoes. Probably like another 150 for your vest and accessories all so you can catch a 12" fish? I tell you what, why don't you catch me some of those fish so I can use them as bait."

Then I happened to be at wally world and decided to pick up and SA combo. A couple of days later I went to the AR at Rosmoor. That morning the water was a flat black glass, the mist hung so close to it I couldn't tell if it was a reflection of the clouds or mist. There was no wind and I could hear every bird call like they were on my shoulder. The air was crisp and fresh and no sound from the outside world could permeate this little slice of heaven I had found. I could see deer and coyote tracks in the sand that had no dew or moisture upon them and out on the water, every so often I would see the slightest bulge followed by tiny rings flowing out across the water.

Needless to say I didn't fish that morning. I felt it almost wrong to interfere with the serenity of the morning.

And that gentlemen, is how I came to this addiction.

BUT..... I still love soaking bait, I mean gotta use the boat for something right?

Rich.

LilWhippersnapper · Senior Member

Striper on 20 inch bait... I'd like to know what kind of fish you're using. Maybe the rattletraps I've been using are about 17 inches too small.

mx19 · Senior Member

20" is a stretch, but a 10"�to�14" split tail swimming under a balloon is more realistic...

sehoner · Veteran Member

Naw I just use those baby steelhead, they work great.

That was a joke.

I never use anything live bigger than about 8". The 20" fish would be filleted and used as cut bait.

TangoGreg · Newbie

I see some references to single hook and artificial lure.

Where in the regs does it say anything about single hook on an artificial lure?

Thanks

Rick

drifter · Senior Member

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The Regs say:

"Only artificial lures with barbless hooks may be used."

They do not specifically say "single" barbless hooks, however, it would be wise to use only single barbless hooks, for the fish's sake. If you have some type of lure that has a trebble hook its really easy to swap the hook out for a new one.

LilWhippersnapper · Senior Member

That sounds more realistic sehoner... You didn't mention that before. I'm guessing cut mackerel?

Psyfisher · Veteran Member

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Brundoggy · Veteran Member

Wow! That's just so beauiful, man! confuse

Another elitist point of view that�plays to the fly-fisherman�stereotype.
�If you really were as concerned about the fish, as you say you are, why would you put it through the stress of putting a sharp hook through it's mouth and then pulling it up and down the river only to release it because you care?

sehoner · Veteran Member

Psyfisher�Wrote,
"You know, in the end I think the reason that we fly fisherman disparage bait fishermen so much is that our technique is just inherintly and aestheticaly better. To the extent that even if someone starts a bait fisherman if he is serious and really loves the sport he's just likely to at some point switch over to fly fishing. Why? Because fly fishing promotes a more intimate understanding of the ecology and inner workings of the waterways that we love so much. Bait fishing works on different principles, principles that can be widely applied rather than principles that may only apply to a single situation that occurs maybe once every three years. You don't need to know what the fish eat, you don't need to know thier feeding habits, you don't need to delicately present them a well selected bait. Instead the bait fisherman appeals to the fish by overwhelming them, presenting them with a foodsource that is so tempting the fish will go out of its way to attack it with reckless abandon. It's actually why I don't like fishing streamers. They appeal to the same instincts and also work almost everywhere almost all the time. The people who tend to be stewards of the land are the same ones who tend to appreciate the greater connection with the waterways that is promoted by fly fishing. Spin fishermen who really take thier art seriously enough to consider the same factors as a fly fisherman, rather than simply returning to successful spots and repeating the same technique are for all intents and purposes the same as fly fishermen. The tools you use do not mater, but the attitude you take onto the water does. In that regard the technique does matter. If you view the water as just a place to go, have some fun, and drink some beers with your friends rather than a complex ecosystem full of interconnections and fragile relationships you are more likely to toss that beer into the woods instead of picking it up. It dosen't matter if you are holding a spinning setup, a 4 wt fly rod, or a 14 foot spey rod, all that matters is the respect and appreciation you have for the ecosystem you are interacting with."

Brundoggy wrote:

Wow! That's just so beauiful, man!

Another elitist point of view that�plays to the fly-fisherman�stereotype.
�If you really were as concerned about the fish, as you say you are, why would you put it through the stress of putting a sharp hook through it's mouth and then pulling it up and down the river only to release it because you care?

Psyfisher,
�While some of your comments truly do have merit� and some capture the overall message of what you are trying to say others are emphatically elitist and�rather presumptive.�
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I understand what you are trying to say even though the explanation and justification in my opinion, is completely off.

�I think the overall message that we need to undertsand and accept as not only fisherman, but stewards of the environment is this.

�Brundoggy�raises a good point.

However,�
�nature has this�wonderful�way of bouncing back from our impact, if we allow it to. We can still have just as good a time on the water as we have always had, but we all, bait and fly fisherman alike, need to be wary of the impacts we have when we go out. These are the reasons we don't fish for spawners, don't walk on redd's and bitch and complain about all the trash people leave behind.
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