Yuba River 27 Mar 2008

JT · Senior Member

Yuba River 27 Mar 2008

Emerger · Senior Member

Here's a pic of the 16" fish that I landed on a #18 olive micromay.

LilWhippersnapper · Senior Member

Good job guys. That's a pretty fish emerger.

Emerger · Senior Member

Thanks lilwhippersnapper! Check out this close-up of his cheek, blue spots like a brown.

LilWhippersnapper · Senior Member

Can browns and rainbows breed together?

JT · Senior Member

LilWhippersnapper wrote:

Can browns and rainbows breed together?

No.

rich · Veteran Member

I'm glad to see that the fish are still there. The summer after the big flood, I caught a few fish like that. I am a firm believer in TWO steelhead runs on the Yuba. There's the one that's going on now, and one that starts in early July. The summer version seems to have larger fish around 24"-27". I believe these fish make the run out of the to coincide with the full moon, spawn and then high tail it back to the Sac to feed on salmon fry before heading back to the coast.�� Just my thoughts.�� I'll see you guys there in about a week!

rich · Veteran Member

I was taking a closer look a the picture of that nice fish and noticed the white tips� on the fins. To my knowledge, steelhead do not exhibit this coloration. I have caught numerous fish above the bridge that have white tips on the lower fins. In the fall, those same fins turn darker and the white tips get really pronounced almost like a char. I asked around and the general thought is that they could be related to some of the redband strains that were introduced farther north. With all of the severe flooding in the recent years, it may have been possible for some of these fish to find their way into the Yuba system and are now crossbreeding with the native Yuba fish.

SK60 · Senior Member

Can browns-rainbows hybridize: yes. Do they normally: no. Hybrids have been produced through artifical means in the laboratory, but the resulting offspring are not "normal" genetically and basically do not do well-poor survivorship, too many chromosomes for breeding, etc.

LilWhippersnapper · Senior Member

Don't they get those white tips from spawning?

rich wrote:

I was taking a closer look a the picture of that nice fish and noticed the white tips� on the fins.

rich · Veteran Member

No, they do not. There is a difference in losing the pigmentation due to scraping along the rocks and bona fide white coloration. Look at the Golden SK60 has for the avitar. Notice the white tips? I've posted some pictures in the past ; you might find some of them. Look at the fins on this steelie to see what I'm talking about for loos of pigmentation. Note the snout as well.

Emerger · Senior Member

The white fins are from a loss of pigmentation Rich. They're pretty beat up. You can see it better in this pic.

rich · Veteran Member

I would have thought the tail would have been scraped too. I does look like the fins have been scraped though. Thanks for sending the larger picture. confused

Bugger · Senior Member

SK60 wrote:

Hybrids have been produced through artifical means in the laboratory, but the resulting offspring are not "normal" genetically and basically do not do well-poor survivorship, too many chromosomes for breeding, etc.

Then the answer�must be�no... You said�"through artificial means in the laboratory". I'm a molecular/cellular�biologist and more recently metabolic engineer. I can do a lot of crazy things with genes and microbes in my lab�that CANNOT happen in nature (without human intervention)... �

shon42073 · Senior Member

thats interesting coloration on that rainbows gill plate. No way a brown would ever naturally reproduce with a rainbow. Emerger, I assume you guys hit the same area we fished 2 weeks ago ? Thats were Im heading tomorrow, got the game plan firmly in place biggrin

. Oh and the question of wether there are steelhead on the yuba has come up before, No question about it, there are steelies on the yuba, check out kienes message board and check out some of hogans browns pics.

ONEWEIGHT · Senior Member

JT,

We hit the Yuba today, and I caught a fish that looks like a twin of yours.� This was 19" and pretty beat up.� It fought pretty well though.� We had the beginings of a good PMD hatch today, but then the wind and rain put the fish back down.� There were some large fish rising for about 15 minutes before the rain started.� We caught 4 between the two of us and lost a couple more.� Look how similar in appearance our two fish are!!!!!!

Bob

JT · Senior Member

Oneweight,�it was actually Emerger that posted the picture of the fish.� I didn't get any pictures of the fish I caught.� I wish I had.� The last fish I landed (actually the last trout I landed) had awesome coloration.� It was 16" long, with a golden-olive color.� The lateral line and gill plate were bright red, and he only had like ten spots on his whole body.� All of the spots were between the tail and dorsal fin.��There were no spots in front of the dorsal fin.� That fish�looked amazing!�

-- Edited by JT at 01:40, 2008-03-29

mx19 · Senior Member

'Iam amazed at how much you guys notice about the fish you catch..I just catch em , re move the hook and send them on there way.I never really look at there markings or color much.I dont even take pictures very often...I guess you could say Im pretty darn, boring.
The funny thing is the most exiting thing for me is seeing that indicator move..That faint little twitch or a pause in its motion.I love it when I hook a fish on the most delicate takes.They say we dont even see 30% of the grabs we get.
I guess I will have to take a look at a few of the boys I catch next time...

Flying Dutchman · Senior Member

mx19,

Hasn't been until recently, last few months, that I even began carrying a camera regularly. If my son were with me, yeah, I brought it along for the family album and my wife.

For me, pictures are taken only on that special occasion--No, boring would not come to mind.

That reward you mentioned of sitting back and enjoying the moment after the grab/fight is sometimes enhanced with a couple of pictures. I call that a good problem--Being reminded daily on the screen saver of those unique catches makes me want to go out more often... biggrin

-- Edited by Flying Dutchman at 21:40, 2008-03-29

Black Cloud · Senior Member

Emerger, I have a twin to your fish. This is a 13" carved from tupelo wood. I just finished this last week.

Emerger · Senior Member

Wow, that's pretty cool Black Cloud. Nice work!

JT · Senior Member

Black Cloud,

That's awesome!

Otter · Senior Member

JT and Emerger sounds like a good day out there on the Yuba. The river is in great shape right now. It is a long drive for me, but well worth it. It looks a lot different from a few years ago, but the best part is the bugs are back, and the fish are hungry.

Black Cloud that is a great wood sculpture. It must have taken many hours. Nice paint job as well!!

LilWhippersnapper · Senior Member

Or many days...

Otter wrote:
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Black Cloud that is a great wood sculpture. It must have taken many hours. Nice paint job as well!!

JT · Senior Member

Otter,
I can't believe how close the Yuba is for me.� I think I'll be fishing it a lot more in the future.

Black Cloud · Senior Member

Guys, thanks for the compliments on the fish sculptures. I told Greg several months ago that I was going to post some of my art work and I'm working on getting a web site. When I saw the photo of Emergers fish, I couldn't believe how similar they were. All of my reference photos are of fish that are caught by me are or supplied by my friends. The finished piece is then a composite of different photographs. As for the hours, it is in the triple digits.

flyfishingjunkie · Veteran Member

Those fish look like Yuba trout, I have caught many like that. From what I remember (have to check some pics) the while coloration on the fins can sometimes be pink/orange.

As for browns mixing with rainbows, about 12 years ago I caught a what I believed to be a hybrid on the wild trout section of Hat creek. Was the strangest looking trout I have ever caught.

SK60 · Senior Member

Did it look like this:

The tiger trout (Salmo trutta X Salvelinus fontinalis) is a sterile, intergeneric hybrid of the brown trout (Salmo trutta) and the brook trout (Salvelinus fontinalis). The name derives from the pronounced vermiculations, evoking the stripes of a tiger. It is a rare phenomenon in the wild, with the brook trout having 84 chromosomes and the brown trout 80.^[1] Records show instances as far back as 1944.^[2]

Artificially, tiger trout can be produced reliably enough to be grown by hatcheries. This is done by fertilizing brown trout eggs with brook trout milt, and heat shocking them, which causes creation of an extra set of chromosomes and increases survival from 5% to 85%.^[3] Tiger trout have been reported to grow faster than natural species,^[4] though this assessment is not universal,^[5] and they have been widely stocked for sport fishing.

brian clemens · Senior Member

black cloud that carving is perfect. cant wait to see that web site.

shon42073 · Senior Member

Blackcloud, That is an awesome sculpture. Jt, was that your first time to the yuba ? I'm so addicted to that river right now, its awesome.