I'm in the market for a new rod and having trouble finding one that fits these specs: inexpensive ($150 or less); medium action; 4-piece; 8.5' or 9' in long; 5 or 6 weight rod. Any reccomendations?
Check out fly shops and ebay for Scott V2 rods. They will not be a part of the 2008 lineup for Scott (discontinued). I've seen them recently for as low as $110.
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Please forgive my ignorance in advance but I don't know much about rods yet and I'm trying to figure it all out. So the fly rod manufactures don't label their rods with their respective actions, you have to actually feel that out for yourself? That would explain why I haven't been able to find that info on most of the rods I've seen online. What does a medium action rod feel like? I wouldn't know it from any other rod I've cast. What I do know is that different actions on rods effect how they bend. Slow has a deep bend from the cork up and is challenging to cast. Fast bends more near the tip and has a lot of backbone and is easier to cast. Medium would be in-between and is supposedly a ton of fun to catch fish on.
Based on JT's suggestion a while back, I bought a Scott V2 about a month ago for $136. I have seen them on Ebay this past week for around $110 to $120. The V2 is a basic, no frills, medium action rod. I have test casted it a few times and it lays out line really nicely and accurately in the 30- to 50- foot range. If you muscle up to push out more line, the rod starts to fold-up (overload) with about 60-feet of line out (something I would expect to happen with a medium action rod). As far as the V2 goes, I could care less about distance, I mean how often do you need to lay out more than 30- to 35-feet of line at Putah? I switched to the V2 from a fast action St. Croix rod. I found that while the fast action rod could sling a lot of line with little effort, it was to stiff to lay-out a decent roll cast. I now value a good roll cast more than distance when fishing Putah due to the tight vegetation surrounding the creek.
Most manufacturers should give a description of a rod's action on their website; the rods aren't usually marked with the action. You should try to test cast a rod so you can to feel the action before buying it. Case in point, I bought a Scott X2S 8WT for steelheading site unseen; a rod described as having a fast action. I ended up selling the rod because the action felt nothing like a fast action rod when I finally got to cast it; the rod was more like a medium action. If you can't test the rod before buying it, you will just have to go with the manufacturers description.
hey call AL at american fly fishing here in sac, they have 9'9" gl loomis rods on sale originally 345 on sale for 150 if i am not mistaken. here is the number 916-483-1222
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I have a 4 pc 5 wt yellowstone rod I got for I think 100. But I don't recommend it. It's pretty stiff and doesn't load up that well. I'm looking for a new rod also in the same price range as you.
reddington makes some really nice rods, i have a 9ft 6wt 2pc redfly. its fast action, which i am not big on but it works great for steelhead.
and just so you know sage makes reddington, sage is made in the usa, reddington is made overseas.
they dont make redfly which i have, but the new model is the redfly2, ranging from 130-300.
they make a crosswater 9ft 5wt for 110, ask wyteurp how he likes it he has one.
dont over look echo, tfo, st croix or scott, great rods for a cheap price.
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Cabelas has a good selection of rods and they usually describe the action of the rod. www.cabelas.com or 1-800-237-4444. Ask for a 2008 Flyfishing Catalog. I buy a lot of stuff from them and they have excellent inventory clearance sales.
Emerger, you know what a medium action rod feels like, The thomas&Thomas I let ya try out a few weeks ago is a very good example of a medium action rod. My personal opinion about fast action rods is this, I'll never purchase another one, They just dont suite my style I guess, The level of "feel" you get from a medium action rod is awesome, With mine I can feel everything that is going on. You may also want to look into a 4 weight for all around trout fishing on rivers about the size of putah and smaller. Research the topic well, Its the most important peice of gear you will buy ! One more thing, If you buy your rod online you may wanna look around, some places will include a free fly line of your choice, I got a free $60.00 rio grande line when i bought one of my rods I also purchased it from a shop in oregon called the fly shop out of welches oregon, So i paid no sales tax, free shipping and a free flyline, and the service was excellent. I'll email ya a link to there sight.
Honestly Captain that was the second rod I've ever fished with and although there were some noticeable differences between your rod and mine I couldn't have told you what they were. One thing I can tell you is that I liked how easily your rod roll casted. It was sweet.
Hey all TFO pro series fly rods are around $200 with a med-fast action. I got a 4wt one of these and so far I am really impressed. Crisp, clean loops and good for roll casting. Another rod I would highly recommend is the Echo and Echo 2 series of rods by Tim Rajeff. I have an Echo2 5wt that comes with 2 tips, one for distace and one for accuracy. I have never played w/ a sage or gloomis rod but with that said echo rods are the finest rods I have ever cast. The Rajeff brothers actually worked for loomis before starting their own company so that gives you an idea of the quality of these rods. They are also really pretty. The Echo1 was a little to slow for my taste but every one casts differently so you might want to cast a few rods and see which feel right to you. Echo1 rods are around 15o I believe and the echo2 are about 250. Just my 2cents chuck
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and just so you know sage makes reddington, sage is made in the usa, reddington is made overseas.
If Sage makes Redington, and Sage is made in the USA, then how is redington made overseas?
They are both made in Bainbridge Island Washington. I just had my 3wt Redington fixed after I broke the tip on an 18 inch Lower Sac Rainbow. I would have normally fished my 6wt on the Lower Sac but was passing though on my way home from fishing Hat Creek and that's all I had.
Fast action rods have their place but it all depends on what kind of fishing you are doing. I prefer my medium/fast Sage SLT 5wt for water like the Truckee or Putah. Sometimes you need fast action like at Pyramid where it gets really windy and you're throwing a full sinking line, anything softer and you wont get any distance, I like my Sage XP 6wt here. Also on the East Walker. For small mountain streams or back country I use my Redington RS3 3wt, nice and noodley. Different rods for different situations. If I was to only have one action rod it would be a medium/fast like the SLT.
There are several decent rods out there for a good price. Go to a fly shop and cast them or try out your buddies different rods to get a feel of what you like. If you can cast better with one rod over another you'll feel it. Great deals to be found on ebay too. I've picked up 3 Sage rods for a little over half the retail price, all brand new with blank warranty cards, just keep looking for the deals.
Both the Sage SLT and XP have been discontinued but there are still plenty of them out there brand new for a great price.
I got an Echo Classic 9' 4wt 4 pieces (medium fast) from The Fly Fishing Shop in Oregon (http://www.flyfishusa.com/) (my local fly shop dosen't carry them) last fall. And I love it. At $140, with rod sock and tube and unconditionnal life-time warranty, I think you get a lot for your buck with an Echo. And free delivery (free fly line only with certain more expensive rod and reel). Even I can smoothly and easily rollcast an impressive distance with it. And I think the action probably saved a few break-offs already. I fought a monster on it one time, tought the rod was gonna snap like a toothpick, but it didn't. I tought about getting a 2wt, but they don't make them smaller than 3wt. TFO also has a product line (Pro series) in this price range (and they make a 2wt!).
Where are Redington rods made? I know their headquarters are in Washington, but are their rods made there? I own a Redington, and the case says, "Made in Korea."
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Go to Kienie's Fly Shop in Sacramento and try a TFO IM6. They come only as a two piece, but they are a super smooth medium action. They are finished very nice in a translucent green, are really well put together and cost 100 bucks.
Besides the Fly Shop in Oregon, you might want to check out Gorge Fly Shop (in OR). Same deal--free shipping, no tax. See if they have any specials to go with rod. Purchased my Echo 3 wt. from them. Very quick and courteous...
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Emerger, I second the Captain's advice on the 4wt. Also, definitely get a medium action rod. The medium action won't throw 80' casts very well, but you will appreciate the accuracy it provides you on more realistic distances like 30-40'. Plus, it will throw wiggle and reach casts well and mend a lot better than a fast action rod, which is important when you're trying to fool wary trout with a drag-free drift.
I know you're looking for something relatively inexpensive, but if saving up is an option for you, I bought a (discontinued) Sage SLT 490-4 (4wt 4pc) new on ebay with warranty card for $320, and it is so incredibly sweet! I self-justify spending that much on a nice rod because I will fly fish for the rest of my life, and because of the enjoyment it brings me. Not saying you need to spend more $, but it is something to think about.
I used the same model Sage (demo) a few times this last summer packing back into the Sierra. Throwing dries was so smooth and sweet! Yes, you got a great deal.
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hey why dont you try to make your own??? it can be cheaper then buying a new one...i make all my own rods its a much better feeling when u hook up on a fish on a rod that u made...question email...been making rods for awhile...
I also intend to fish my rods all my life. But for now, I think I still prefer to get 3 pretty good rods of different sizes from a specialist than 1 excellent rod on e-bay... Plus, if you're a beginner or if you're not sure of what you want/need, e-bay can be confusing, often there's not much info on the rods...
I used that "line" on my Grandpa about spending money and lifelong enjoyment...Using for the rest of your life...His reply, "Something will come along to tickle your tummy..."
How many FF out there bargain or even donate equipment they hardly use anymore? Face it--we are all pack-rats who get caught up in the most technological updates, gadgets, etc. My garage and den are slowly filling up!!!
Emerger, lots of great advice-go to a shop, try some out, no long term loans needed, and enjoy! You never know what will be out there in five or ten years...
-- Edited by Flying Dutchman at 07:56, 2008-01-26
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WOW!!! HOLY CRAP -- YOU'RE RIGHT CAPTAIN!!! YOU DID BREAK THE BANK!!! DIDN'T REALIZE PREVIOUS POST....
Thanx alot for all the info guys. after trying a few rods, i didnt get to try as mant as i wanted to. I stuck to my original plan and went for a thomas& thomas light presentation series 8 foot 4 weight 3 peice meduim action rod, abel super sereis large arbor reel and a rio. grande flyline, total cost $1,100 bucks, holy crap i just spent that much on a setup But i must say it is simply a work of art ! I'll be fishing this setup when i'm old and grey. Cant wait to get up to a sierra stream with it, but in the mean time putah will do just fine.
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