I noticed large numbers of tiny fish (half inch size) in the creek today. Are those from this year's spawn already? I don't know how long it takes them to achieve any size and was curious. Oh, and if I find a fly that works on them I'll post it.
I think you are correct chemdoc. I noticed those little guys everywhere as well and I was under the impression that they were trout fry, although to be sure one would probably have to carefully collect a sample for closer observation. Fertilized trout eggs hatch in an average of 30-50 days so I expect that these are the first of the fry hatching. Charlie
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Years ago I was in the fly shop in Vacaville (now closed). It was where Toby Uppinghouse (I think this was his last name) worked. Toby was the most knowledgeable guy on Putah I have ever met. He showed me a fly with an orange egg sack that imitates trout fry. I don't remember it's name or even what it exactly looked like. Maybe some one can go to the shop in Dixon and see if they have the fly I'm talking about. For me, late January and February are a lot slower than November and December. My theory is that the fish start feeding on trout fry and don't bother as much with nymphs. I have seriously considered fishing these trout fry streamers, but I know I'd have a large learning curve to overcome. Does anyone know the name of the fly I'm referring to?
It sounds like you are talking about alevins. They imitate trout fry emerging from their egg sacks. I have never had much luck with them, but they are used by steelheaders on the American about this time of year. The little minnows are definitely trout fry, I have been noticing quite a few lately. I would have to say I learned just about everything I know about Putah Creek and other local fly fishing areas from Toby and the rest of the crew at Fly Fishing Unlimited. One spot John from Cal/Alaska guide service told me about was the fly fishing only section of the Stanislaus by Oakdale. The flows have been too high this year so far, but it is a great little spot to catch big fish. I was sad to see Fly Fishing Unlimited close. Does anyone know of any new fly shops between Berkeley and Vacaville along I-80?
My theory on why fly fishing is slower in Feb and March is that only the bigger smarter fish are in the wadable holding areas right now. I have had to change flies frequently to fool these fish. They have seen every fly in the book, by this time of year. I believe the bigger fish also scare off the smaller fish to the slower deeper water. That is just my theory after floating the creek this weekend, and wading the creek the past few weeks.
Mike Mercer has a fry imitation called the Sac Fry. I've never used one. I've attached a picture of one below along with an actual trout sac fry.
As for the shop in Dixon, it is pretty much gone. At least it was the last time I was in there. I was pretty disappointed how they just let it go, and I haven't been back since. That's been a while now, though. Maybe they've increased their inventory since then.
There is a place that has a good fly fishing section along hwy. 80 in alameda, just past berekley on your right, its called the outdoor pro shop, dont remember what exit but you can't miss it, there a few boat dealerships and a big hotel right before it, it's worth checking out. Only other one I know of is creative sports in pleasant hill, real nice people there and pretty good selection of stuff. I buy most of my stuff online, If you dont tie your own flies a good site to check out is called the big y fly co. average cost of a fly is only .55 cents and the quality is pretty good.
Kiene's in Sac. carries a bunch of alvian flies this time of year of the American River guys. Pretty good little patterns. A quick note on alviens though; they swim vertically in the current immediately after they hatch as there swim bladder inflates. Afterwords they make frequent trips to the surface to inhale air to continue to inflate the bladder. Just some behavioral stuff to help with presenting an alvian fly in a convincing manner.
Hey Otter what do you float the creek with? It seems like it might get a little tight at spots for my 9' kickboat. I have been thinking about using it on the yuba or lower sac though.
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In my experience floating the creek, I haven't floated from one spot to the next. I hang in the slower areas floating downstream with the current and riding the eddies back upstream. There should be plenty of room for that. I use a float tube (U-shaped) to fish these slower areas on the creek and the lake. I have also kayaked in the lake. I just checked out kickboats online. I had seen them before but never researched them. They look pretty stable and versatile.
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Just for your info, I stopped by the Dixon shop on the way home from school today and they have cleared everything out. They said that they sold everything at ridiculously low prices. If only I had stopped by there a couple of months ago.
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Yea you're right the Dixon shop has blown out everything as far as the flyfishing stuff is concerned,but another great shop for flyfishing and hunting is Sweeny's Sports in Napa.I've got them linked to this site with Kienes in Sacto. Bono
I have been using the Outcast float tubes. I have used the super fat cat ($350)and the fish cat($150). Both work well. They both have loops on the bottom so you can attach backpack straps. I usually float above access 1, but I used to fish just below the berryessa dam. Both places hold huge fish during the summer. I also wondered what a kickboat was, so I looked it up. It looks pretty big, so I would say it would be much easier to launch above access one. My only tip is that you walk the section of the creek you are going to fish before you launch. There are very few places to launch and land, and with a 9' kickboat you will want to be very careful. It looks like a good boat to float from the split at access 5 down through the lake. You will need two cars though.
I was wading at access XXX last night and the fish were killing caddis late. At one point I just let my line out and didn't even move it. The fish would just take the fox poohpah at the end of the line. Tons of fun!!!
ChucktheDuck wrote: Hey Otter what do you float the creek with? It seems like it might get a little tight at spots for my 9' kickboat. I have been thinking about using it on the yuba or lower sac though.
I know Bono has a story or two to tell about floating the creek in a canoe. Putah rafters show up on the 6 o'clock news from time to time as well.
Putt around below the dam or from the big island down to lake Solano all you like. There are a few slow sections inbetween as well. Others may agree or disagree but I've lived here and fished Putah long enough to know better to try and float any distance or fast water. I prefer to avoid the helicopter ride or the obits.
Somebody mentioned the Yuba. Floating from the hwy 20 bridge down to Sycamore is not a problem in a raft, canoe, kayak or kickboat. Leave the float tube at home. Even floating from Engelbright dam down to the hwy 20 bridge is fairly safe and easy in a canoe or kayak but I would leave both the float tube and kickboat at home for that one.
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Dont try to raft any part of the creek you dont know. I tried going from the dam to access one once...spent half of it outside of the canoe. You can raft from 3 to 4 though when i tried it i was not fishing, just checking. Ill be back out there later in the season.
Wow, I'm amazed you got out in one piece! I've hiked the stretch from the deer sign down to the flat stretch above access one and there is some rough water there. I had thought about taking my pontoon boat out above access 4, where the water is very similar to Solano Lake and might try that this summer.
Somebody mentioned the Yuba.... Even floating from Engelbright dam down to the hwy 20 bridge is fairly safe and easy in a canoe or kayak but I would leave both the float tube and kickboat at home for that one.
I did this in the summer a few years back and almost killed 5 people. There is essentially a little canyon befor the flat stuff with a serious rapid in it. At least at the flows when I was there, it looked like a class 4 or 5 rapid. Definitely not to be taken in a canoe. Even though we had kayaks, we were relatively inexperienced and had to shlep boats upriver and get a local to drive us to our pickup. He was really nice and we were lucky. This whole trip gave me the willys. Dueling banjos kept playing through my mind....
Funny I usually only hear dueling banjo's when I'm up in the sierra's alone, If you listen really really close you can hear pigs squealing as well . Seriously though the lower yuba isn't a river to play around with in canoes and kayaks or float tubes. Theres a ton of trout fry in putah right now.
Just a note concerning rafting Putah creek.From what I've been told (a good source) putah in the summer is class 5 water meaning its very dangerous water,not just because of the rapids but mostly because of the water being high and into the brush trees and sweeps.Thats where people fall in and get caught up in this stuff and sometimes never make it out.Believe me I have personally witnessed this about 7 years ago with two guys float tubing access 5 with flows around 700 cfs.My advice is stay away from floating 80% of the creek during the high flows. Bono