Maybe he has been living in a cave Brian. Targeting salmon on any valley river now is highly unethical not to mention illegal.

Well the salmon problem isn't due to previous generations of fisherman, Its due to poor water management and pollution. So I would do a bit of reading and research before ya blame anyone. Good luck on your quest for a salmon.

Ok....so i was not going to respond to this thread...but, moron has left me with no option.  If your aware of "fly fishers" complaining about poachers like you, don't post on a fly fishing board looking for answers.  If you have any kind of a brain you would realize that such a stupid question doesn't deserve a response.  Your obviously on this board to inflame people.  Personally, i dont believe you about your discussion with the game warden, maybe he construed your fishing method as targeting steelhead, but I assure you, you cannot target salmon, catch or release, or not.  If your jonsing for catching a salmon, do the legal thing and stick to the winter run salmon on the sac above nights landing. And by the way, i'm not an old timer, who in your mind is "responsible" for this mess, yet I still respect the law, and equally important, the fish.  

-- Edited by drifter at 21:43, 2008-11-04

If you hook a salmon while you are fishing for trout or steelhead you are supposed to tight line the fish and break it off.You are not allowed to fight the fish.Doing so might result in a fine depending on the warden who catches you...If you would like to catch a salmon then I would hold off on the dream till next year and fish one of the few river that have a run of fresh fish that are legal to catch and keep if you wanted.....The salmon you are fishing will not eat.You might hook one in the mouth but its only cause your line ran across the mouth and snagged it..the term used for this is called lining.It looks like they ate it but they didnt...

-- Edited by WT at 09:11, 2008-11-05

Coho's AKA silvers are the one species i know that will absolutly go after an offering when they are in the rivers, But its more of a reaction bite, they are by no means feeding, all salmon's digestive systems totally shut down when they enter fresh water, I guess its mother natures way of proctecing the previous years little guys that are still in the system cuz the bigger salmon would eat them all up. It's to bad that the cohos are pretty much gone for good in this area. Chums also have a tendency to go after green stuff like a corkia and yarn, but only sometimes. My experience with any other of the salmon species in fresh water is very limited. If I want a chinook I'll go after em in sal****er when and if it is legal.

i gave you my opinion, its was entitled "NOT TO TARGET SALMON"  i guess you missed that memo. ATTENTION TO DETAIL YOUNG MAN ATTENTION TO DETAIL. i learned that very quickly in the military, and you should do the same. and about you generalizing our generation killing the population, please, you have got some balls to even say that. you should learn your facts before you start labeling generations killing fish populations. look YOUNGING, i am just a tad bit older than you, not by much 5yrs, but have seen more things and have had much more life experience in my short life time (4yrs in the military, left for the military at 17, yes right fresh out of high school, signed up when i was 16) than you will ever see in your entire life. we are all respecful on this board until someone like you gets on here talking about targeting salmon and "ASKING" if keeping the bigger fish is better than keeping the small ones on putah creek. thats your problem. you have to be out of your mind, you are asking the wrong questions at the wrong times. if you want to catch salmon, go on the sac from knights landing to the red bluff diversion dam. you can catch them all day and keep them too. you wanna keep big trout, then go to a pond or lake that is stocked with them. trust me i miss salmon fishing just as much as the next guy, i used to do it all day everyday, even caught a 50.01 lber on may 28 2007 at nimbus damn, had fresh sushi right there on the river, and it was great, but you dont hear me crying about it, or complaining do ya NO. you also dont see me out there fishing for them either, "even though i know i can legally" I AM NOT AND I REFUSE TO. thats called maturity, knowing whats right and not doing it even though you can, and not joining the croud thats doing it as well. i myself have talked to a warden by the name of ALLEN you know him, maybe not, but any ways i have talked to him a few times, great guy, and he is one of the main reasons why i want to become a warden, anyways, you know what he told me. "if to many people are out there targeting salmon even though you can and you are catching and releasing them the proper way, they will shut down the river." mind you i dont fish for salmon now because of the closer, even though i can, but however i am a huge steelhead flyfishing fan, and if this river gets shut down because of you and your immature, dont give a crap attitude punks that like to work the grey area of the legality system, then there will be a huge problem. those that obey the law, and dont work the grey areas, that leave the salmon alone and that have no effect on the full closure of the river will be scolded for something they didnt even contribute to. DO YOU THINK THAT IS FAR? if you think it is, then you are a discrace to fishing and shouldnt be called a fisherman.

i really have nothing further to say. but this.....if you want to continue to danger the population of salmon by putting forth your full effort of catching and landing one, which so far doesnt seem like its all that good, the go for it, but dont bitch, moan, complain, or even blame someone else, or someother generation for the full closure of that river. when that happens, the blame will be put right back on to you.

so should my generation go out there and show your generation how salmon fishing is really done. it can be done with long leaders and beads, but anyone can do that, my 1 1/2 yr old sis can catch a salmon that route, thats the easy way. try throwing quick fish with sardene wrap. you want to feel a take, and legally hook a salmon use a quick fish, and be ready to grab your rod.

but i wont waste my time out in that mess at nimbus damn. ill continue to fish my areas that i love while the ancil to hazel closure is in effect and catch my steelies all day, whether it be big half pounders or bigger. which if my mind serves me right, i was on the a yesterday and did very well with the steelhead. have a few hollywood steelhead as well. it was great.

man keith were did you find that one. thats freaking funny

Good news to report.  Went up to the Yuba today and ran into a couple of F&G biologists, apparently the salmon numbers are up about 1 1/2 times compared to last year on the Yuba.  (and no, not for catching, these numbers are based upon the dead carcasas and baby salmon caught in the fish wheels, so don't get any ideas Scotty P.)

-- Edited by drifter at 21:53, 2008-11-06

i do know from first hand the yuba has seen more salmon than last, colder water is the reason for that, the american is only at 62 deg coming out of nimbus, by the time it gets to the sac is in the upper 60s almost 70s. but the yuba it is in the low low 50s out of englebright and by the time it hits the feather (which has had an pretty good run this yr) it is in the upper 50s, its all about water temp, well and flow, but water temp is a key roll. thats why the american sucking due to high temps, and low flow.

hey black cloud, well i do have an extra rod for the AR, and i have been gettin into some steelies, (sorry not giving up my secrets, both times i have gone out this fall gotten into some nice big half pounders from 20" to 23", and screamers to boot) anyways, other the extra rod, i just put the back seat into the jeep, so i got the extra room, so if someone in particular wants to do some fly fishing, and really learn the art of fishing like our past generations did, then pm me and ill take you out and you will have the best fishing experience you ever imagined.

there is the garcia, gualala, but with those rivers you have to keep an eye on it, once the fish are in there they shoot up pretty quick, you can fish it for a week with nothing, then miss one day, and that be the day that you could have wacked them. ill stick with the american yuba and feather for now. ill be out on weds this week, gonna bring the pontoon out. hell ya.

i fished the AR hard the begining of the yr, i have gone out twice on the feather, hooked a bunch of salmon, no steelies, emerger got on though, a nice 24-26"er, i have gone out on the AR twice this fall and hooked and landed fish both times, first time out i fished at my fav spot around the sailor bar area, hooked and landed a nice 20" half pounder, i posted on that one, its was titled first AR post or something like that, had a pic on there. i missed 2-3 fish that day as well. my second time out was weds fished below the power lines not saying where, but withing 30 mins hooked and landed a nice 20" hatchery hen, saw a lot of fish movement though, so i will be fishing that again on tues or weds with the pontoon, need to get farther out with a cleaner drift, thats why i need the pontoon, i fished another spot and first cast hooked a really nice 22" wild buck. both fish fought great, awsome runs and arial jumps, but that wild buck had just a tad bit more fight in it. so not to bad, when you only fished for about 6hrs in 2 different spots. again ill be out there on tues or weds going at it again.

ill post some more pics soon. maybe ill have some more to post after my trip.

oh ya tried the garcia and gualala when i went to fort bragg, didnt get crap, fished the low flow of the feather, but thats it. not giving my secrets on the AR though, you will have to fish with me for that one. hahaha

-- Edited by brian clemens at 13:31, 2008-11-08

ScottyP, please email me and I'll help you with your login problem.

Here is a tip for landing salmon......go to europe




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Actually this run of salmon isn't hurting as much as the others. And i wasn't keeping monster putah fish i was just talking of how it would affect it. And you can fish for salmon above hazel ave u just cant keep them.  I wouldn't if you could. And releasing the fish in the proper way doesn't ruin the eggs like alot say, At least thats what a dfg officer told me when he came up to hazel for busting someone for keeping a salmon.  I am someone who would like to help fisheries but not if it means not fishing it. I don''t want to pay for your generations and before's mistakes and hear u guys bitch about me trying to have my fun when u had yours and probably too much of it because the population is down. All i want is to land one salmon, never have, then i will be happy and leave them alone. untill then i am going to try and get one and if that doesn't make youguys happy then oh well, cry a river. i'm sick of hearing u crybaby flyfishers bitch to everyone thats not a diehard flyfisherman for everything that is not your fault.
so im going to fish for salmon legally on the american river. ps. WISH ME LUCK

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