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I fished with a friend over the weekend and we spotted a white fish, that my friend thinks is a brown trout? Is he correct? The fish was definitly feeding, but we through everything we had at him , but never hooked him. The fish would even tug on my fly, and i would try to set it , and nothing. Any secrets? weirdface

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I saw a big brown while fishing with ChucktheDuck.  It was a lot lighter in color than the rainbows, so your fish may have been a brown.  How big was it?   



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13-16 inches. I walked up river later that day a found another one. same size

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This one was white, like a long goldfish, or a skinny carp.

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maybe a sac pike. they are pretty light in color, caught one on the american and it wasnt white more of an off white silver color

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Maybe it was a carp, The ones I have caught on putah were pretty light. They have really small sucker mouths that make them hard to hook.

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Did that white trout look anything like this?

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Is that an albino trout ? Where did you catch that JT ?



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is that albino trout

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Yeah, it's an albino trout.  I caught it a couple of years ago in Utah.  That was one of the ugliest fish I have ever caught.

-- Edited by JT at 19:20, 2007-11-20

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it looks pretty dam cool

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Albino trout are usually released by hatcheries to keep the bait slingers entertained. Their average survival rate is something like 4 days in the wild though (As opposed to the week survival for wild type hatchery trout). Cool to look at though.

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In Utah they use them as indicators.  I believe they plant one albino rainbow for every ten regular rainbows.  When they release the fish, they can count the albino trout and know approximately how many fish they have released.  For example, if they count 20 albinos, they know they've planted about 200 typical rainbow trout.

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Another possibility is that it may have been a squawfish.  I caught one last Winter that was about 16 inches long and was almost pure silver.  I was quite surprised how light in color it was.

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Squawfish?  Good theory ... I've caught squaw, fishing northern sacramento R. near oregon border, and russian R. both decades ago, but the description is consistant with what I remember.

I also love the stories about "bull trout", but their extinct in Cali from what I understand.

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I think that's what Brian meant when he said Sacramento Pike.  The politically correct name for the Squawfish is the Sacramento Pike Minnow. 

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I beleive sacramento pike is what that fish has become known as in these parts, I think the correct name is a northern squawfish (ptychocheilus oregonensis) it the largest of the minnow family. If you catch them on putah they should be killed ! They are vorocius feeders and its favorite food source are small trout and salmon. I caught a large one in berryessa a few years ago, No fight to it at all.

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JT-Didn't know Utah used the trout as indicators, interesting approach. I'm guessing you have taken Moyle's class too, PC name for squawfish is his name for pikeminnows.
Capt'n-Pikeminnows are one of the native fish to the region. The larger ones are quite good piscivores, but they have co-existed in the Central Valley with Steelhead and Salmon for centuries. They will pick off the occasional trout, but for the most part they are picking off the less fit individuals anyway. They can even taste pretty well, just a pain to clean. Largest Cyprinid is the Barb of Asia, which gets bigger than some cars.

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JT,

It looked exactly like that! Might be the same one! What is it? Albino brown trout? what did you use to catch it? I heard swinging woolies works.

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The picture was of an albino rainbow trout.  There were a few of them cruising the shallows in this tiny lake in the Uinta Mountains.  That one fell for a #22 Griffith's Gnat.

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That isnt the same pike that they poisoned Davis Lake for was it.....

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No, the pike in Davis Lake is the northern pike.  It's not native to this area and I haven't heard of any found in the Putah Creek drainage.  The Sacramento pikeminnow is native to the area and is found in the creek as well as many other rivers and lakes.  I have attached a picture showing the differences between the two. 

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no the one in lake davis is a true pike, with teeth. chain pickerel, northern pike. musky, and what not. they are a fresh water baracuda. thats what they look like. They are a great sport fish if you ever get the chance. most of the northern united states have them and east coast. they are fun and fight hard. and from what i hear lake davis has some nice ones, but nothing that gets to big, the eco system cant hold big preditor fish like a 40 inch pike, but 20-30 inchers it can. the bad thing about pike is that they reproduce at a young age and grow very very fast. the youngins can breed in about a yr if everything in the eco system is perfect.

again a great sport fish, that love trout, and being at lake davis, the grow fast and get fat but not big. if you ever get the chance go up there and use husky jerks, blue foxes, musky killers, big spinner baits, in the evening or warm mornings and evenings use buzz baits and super spooks.

i am a pro when it comes to these fresh water teeth baring monster talk to me i can guide you. and i wouldnt mind rollin up there either.

oh ya, they would be great on a fly rod, from what i hear clouser minnows work well back home, and anything that immitates a minnow.

-- Edited by brian clemens at 14:58, 2007-11-24

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They've poisoned Lake Davis again, so hopefully they got them all.  It would be a shame for them to survive AGAIN. 



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norther pike are a hardy fish, i dont think the people realize what these fish can endure. and on top of that lake davis has natural springs feeding it so in those spots the poison never really hits.

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This time they drained the lake as well as used poison, so the concentration of poison was much higher.  The DFG planned on using 17,000 gallons of rotenone, most commonly known as a pesticide, to kill the pike.  Rotenone is absorbed by the gills, inhibiting the fish's ability to process oxygen from the water.  The application of the poison was more widespread this time, not just focusing on the main body of the lake.  Poison was also dumped into small streams and tributaries of Lake Davis.  It seems that this plan was more thought out.  Hopefully, the DFG was able to get rid of all of the pike from the lake.  

-- Edited by JT at 19:54, 2007-11-25

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