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Hello board.  I live in Morro Bay, but work up here in the Sac area and also in the Bay and the Delta pushing barges around.  I am usually up here for several weeks at a stretch, and really need to fly fish.  I stumbled across this board in my hunt for information, and was very impressed with the wealth of information here and how freely you people share it, even with 'newbies'.  I will be visiting Putah as soon as I can, whenever I get a free evening, but until then I will enjoy reading your posts. 

Also, I don't want to be "one of those guys" that blows it on local etiquette, so if you folks have any advice for me, please share.

Thanks,
Paul

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Welcome Paul.  Go fish dude.  The best advice is perhaps on the creek from guys who fish it.  There are guys better than me who get skunked all the time so no worries.  You can learn alot by fishing it alone as well.  Some swear by small flies some do just fine with bigger stuff.  The good news is that there seems to be more planters this time of year than last.  Maybe I was just getting more natives.  Hehehehe.  One thing I know is the fish they move around.  I hit my fav spots all the time cuz you don't know what may have moved in there before you showed up.  I have caught big fish in pocket water and I mean a pocket.  Fish every likely spot around you.

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Welcome aboard, Paul.  How long have you been fly fishing?  What kind of water do you usually fish?  One key bit of advise that everyone should know is to disinfect your gear (boots, waders, net, etc.) after fishing the creek.  The creek is full of New Zealand Mud Snails (NZMS).  They reproduce quickly and compete with other invertebrates (i.e. aquatic insects) for food.  They are of little, if any, nutritional value to trout.  So, to stop the spread of NZMS, clean your gear.   

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Hey Paul... Sorry, but there's only one captain on this board... Just kidding. Advice....? Just watch out for those bait dunkers, some of them are real jerks, but you won't have to worry about them in a few weeks... Putah is closed to bait fishing after I think November 18th. After that, single barbless hooks, flys, and lures only.... No bait. And catch and release only.

-- Edited by LilWhippersnapper at 10:48, 2007-10-29

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November 15th is the last day to fish with bait and keep your catch.  If you fish with barbless flies and release everything, it doesn't matter.

-- Edited by JT at 11:10, 2007-10-29

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Ok, thanks JT.

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Thanks guys. I only fish barbless, unless I am fishing ocean quarry other than salmon. And I never fish with bait for trout... my friends and I call it "throat candy". And I know what you mean about some people being jerks, whipper, and they can be more than frustrating. To answer your questions, JT, I fish my local streams and creeks... San Luis Creek (small natives), San Carpoforo, Arroyo de la Cruz (between Big Sur and San Simeon), and the Nacimiento River. I also fish mountain lakes... Courtright near Shaver is one of my favorites. It holds a nice population of browns, but geez, talk about bait dunkers! I always travel with my gear and a reg book so I can try new water when I come across it. I used to live in Arcata, north of Eureka, and fished steelhead a lot on the Trinity, Mad, Smith, Eel and Van Duzen rivers. I have only been fly fishing seriously for about 3 years now, and I am sad to say it, but I didn't discover fly fishing until I moved away from the north country. I am really liking this trout thing. I guess it's never too late to get your head right.

I am closer to the American than Putah, i think, as I am in West Sac, so I was thinking of going after work one day to check out the half pounder run. My problem is I have zero local knowledge, so maybe someone can steer me in the right direction?

What is the best way to disinfect my gear?

Thanks,
Paul

PS sorry Captain, I wasn't trying to poach your name. My friends call me capn paul cuz that's what I've done forever.

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If you want to fish the American Paul, your best bet is to stop by Kiene's Fly Shop or American Fly.  They can usually provide excellent advice.  Also, have you been to www.Kiene.com?  They have a forum like this one, and there is a section covering steelhead and salmon fishing.  Let us know if you have any luck there.

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Ya Phil, thank you. That's where I found this forum, on Kiene's. My biggest obstacle right now is that I have been finishing work too late to go fish or to visit those shops. Soon, though...... maybe this weekend?


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Hey Capn Paul--I just got back from fishing cheeseman canyon on the south platte where they have a similar problem with NZMS. The local land/river management had posted signs all over the river alerting waders of the problem. Their advice was to soak your felt boots in a 50% water and 50% 409 bath for 10 minutes. The West Denver Trout Unlimited site has this advice for sanitizing your gear:

http://www.westdenvertu.org/snails.htm#cleaning

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You can freeze your gear overnight, which is probably the easiest way to kill the NZMS.  Another option is to use heat to kill them.  Immerse your gear in 135 deg. F water for about 10 minutes. 

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Thanks guys. I'll be sure to do it. I assume 409 won't harm gore-tex waders.

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Welcome to the board CapnPaul,
For the Gore-Tex use the methods JT is talking about. I talked directly to the Simms rep about this and I was told the best way is to heat kill them by immersing your waders in hot water like JT was saying. That way you don't risk damaging expensive gear with foreign chemicals. I might have to try that freeze method sometime though to save time!
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I don't know if Formula 409 makes waders brittle or anything, but after using it the water won't bead up on your waders anymore. 

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You should also check and clean your net.  I have found a few stuck on my net when I got home. Have you guys read that the snails offer no nutrition to the fish and if eatin ussualy pass thourgh em and are still alive ?

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No s**t Captain I never thought about the net! Good call! Do you guys know how long the snails will survive out of the water? Like if you fish Putah and then don't fish for a couple of weeks and you want to fish somewhere else do you still need to worry about spreading the snails? I didn't know about the ecological damage the snails caused. I always thought they were bad because they carry whirling disease that kills trout. I guess either way they suck!
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They don't carry whirling disease to my knowledge.  They just compete with the trout's main food source--aquatic invertebrates.  As long as your gear has some moisture in it, the snails may be able to survive.  They can close their operculum (trapdoor) and survive through some pretty harsh conditions.  You have to actively kill them. 

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Ok thanks JT I'll remember that. As far as the whirling disease I'll have to look that up because I'm pretty sure I read about that in a magazine, but that was a long time ago so I might just be mixed up. They are bad enough as it is without adding std's to the mix.
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Just checked on the whole whirling disease thing. Turns out JT is right the NZMS and Whirling Disease have nothing to do with eachother, just two bad things that my bad memory blobbed together after too many long days fishing in the sun! The only known aquatic hosts for whirling disease are Tubifex tubifex, also known as the brown sludge worm, and the trout themselves. Luckily there is no whirling disease in Putah so sorry if I got anyone worried for a moment.
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They do have something in common.  Both Whirling Disease and NZMS snuck over here with shipments of brown trout eggs: one being from Europe, the other from New Zealand. 



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Ok, today I just may get a chance to fish Putah after work, or maybe try the American for some half-pounders. Can anyone help me out with a good place to start? Also, is Putah all pay-access, or are there free sections? Directions would help a lot, as I probably won't have much time to spend looking around. Not asking for secret spots, just somewhere I will have a chance to spend an hour or so and learn something.

By the way, the photo album was superb! It got me totally fired up.

Thanks!
Paul

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Parking up by the bridge is free, but the parking lots at the other 5 accesses now appear to require payment.  I noticed the other day that several have been repaved recently.  However, most of us just park along the road and walk down to the creek, which is still free.

Parking fees are required along the American.  If you go, Watt Avenue is a good place to start and you can fish upstream of the bridge in the riffles or just below the bridge on either side of the island.  If you go to Watt, American Fly shop is right nearby and they could give you some current reports and advice.

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you can check out my posting about the american. there are actually 2 access for the american river on american river drive off watt ave. one you have to pay its right there next to watt ave bridge. 5 bucks and you can drive down to the water, and up and down the river. the other spot you drive east on american river drive till you hit a 4 way stop take a left and drive down you will see the entance right where the road turns left. its an ok spot. its right there where there is some ok fishin, but when i was leaving in the am time to go to my work meeting i noticed some broken widow glass. it is in a nice neighbor hood but i wouldnt trust it. i would pay the 5 bucks and be able to drive up and down the river. other spots that are good. goethe park off bradshaw, hagen park, sailors bar which is up near nimbus dam, nimbus dam is also good. howe ave is an ok area. putah is slow but still fishable. i brought my boss out for the first time yesterday and he went 3 for 6, i went 6 for 6, the fish were very very picky yesterday. i think it was from the front that just went through just a few hours earlier. once it started to get sunny and warmin up the water around noon the action started to pick up some. we didnt catch anything but the fish became more active.

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Here's what I think is the easiest way to kill NZMS and not harm any of your gear.

Once out of the water, let your waders, net and boots dry out in the sun or inside someplace.   Once they are dry, stuff them all together in a plastic garbage bag and then after your wife or girlfriend has gone to bed, shove the whole bag into the freezer.  Let them sit overnight and you've done your job.

One note:  Don't forget to take them out in the morning as failure to do this will necessitate a change in your treatment process.

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Welcome capn paul. Good luck at putah I'd start at the bridge. Easy quick access, And some nice fish. Hey, my freinds started calling me captain cuz I was always fishing the bay and just outside the golden gate along the coast in my boat and I'd always bring people along and so thats what they always called me. A 15 footer outside the golden gate is defenitly an expeirence, Not for the faint of heart.Ya gotta love foam filled fiberglass boats, basically unsinkable !

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I hear you there, Waters.  You might want to look into a chest freezer.  Some come with dividers, so you can have food on one side and fishing gear on the other.  I've been looking at them, but with a baby due in a month I'll have to wait.

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Congragulations JT.

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Hey Paul, I am a Cayucos native! I am up in San Francisco for school, but I will be down in Morro Bay all summer (I work at the Outrigger Restaurant, and sometimes at the two Central Coast Auto Centers) If you ever want someone to fish the Nacemiento with someone, let me know!

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