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I have noticed that the flows have been trending downward.  If memory serves me it is still a little early for them to really start cutting the flows for the winter.
However my memory does not "serve me" as well as it used to.

So my question is this.  Are we at the beginning of the downward trend?  Or should we expect some significant ups and downs for the next month or so?

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If I remember right, the flows will start to drop steadily from now on.  They use this time to do maintenance on the Putah South Canal.  It seems a little too early to me, especially since trout season doesn't close until November.  It leaves some big trout pretty vulnerable. 

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I recall thecaptain saying he keeps a fishing log, including flow data. Perhaps he can provide some guidance on the flow trends. Does the Bureau of Reclamation (assuming this is Berryessa's management entity) consider the spawning activity in the creek before adjusting flows? I seem to recall someone mentioning the browns will start spawning soon.

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Wrong person bud, Only log i keep is in my head biggrin. I do think as long as we dont have any hot weather that lasts more then a few days the flows will continue to drop. Hopefully they dont get down to like 45 like last winter, that didnt make for very good fishing for me. Yes, Browns are fall spawners, But we shouldn't fish for em when they are on redds, I beleive there may be  a few around access #4 and #5 soon. Last winter I recall someone reporting that they found some redds that were high and dry along the creek, We need to take pictures of this and submit them to DFG. There needs to be min. flows set for winter time.
-- Edited by thecaptain at 16:35, 2007-09-18



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I have a quick question for you guys. Please dont laugh.... I have been having trouble landing fish. I get them hooked reel them in and when they are a few feet away from me and I lift up my pole to pull them from the water the line breaks.

Today I had a nice 13"-15" bow at access #5 and the tippet broke as I was lifting him from the water.

then I got to thinking "maybe that is why everyone is using nets".....well is that it? do I need to get a net or is there some trick.

Also are you guys using loops to attach your tippet to your leader? I know some folks use loops to attach the leader to the fly line but didnt know if they used the same thing for the tippet......

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Sorry Captain, I thought you were the man with the log. In any event, thanks for the info on the spawning fish. I don't really know how to identify redds so I will just stear clear of certain areas on the creek

WytErup,

If you put dead weight on a leader (e.g., hanging the fish from the leader) the tippet will pop. Also grabbing the leader an pulling it to you will often lead to a busted tippet. To reduce the the chances of your rig popping at the leader/tippet connection, use a triple surgeons knot for this particular connection. Oh ya, a net would help you land fish.  I personally don't carry a net because it snags constantly when bushwacking. 

-- Edited by SCM at 20:11, 2007-09-18

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WytEurp, I always loose fish right at my feet, usually the small ones too. You might want to try going for the fly first, then the fish. If you can run your hand down the leader quickly without putting to much pressure on, the easier it will be to get a hold of the fish. This works for me most of the time, yet I always loose fish right at my feet. With my leader to tippet I tie a blood knot. I understand that everybody has a different system, this is just what works for me. Hope this helps you land those nice rainbows.

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Check this out:
http://waterdata.usgs.gov/nwis/monthly/?referred_module=sw&site_no=11454000&por_11454000_2=2209915,00060,2,1930-06,2006-09&format=html_table&date_format=YYYY-MM-DD&rdb_compression=file&submitted_form=parameter_selection_list

This is the monthly flows by year.
It looks like the current flows are pretty close to normal.

Mike

-- Edited by Brundoggy at 07:24, 2007-09-21

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Wyteurp, what size tippet are you using and what kind?
I know when I use 6x or 7x I change it quite often, one little nick or scratch and it will break fast. If it's clean you'd be amazed how much weight light line can hold.  I dont use a net unless Cole is around and he throws me his. Most of the time with landing small fish I'll do exactly what bkerbs said and grab the hook shake the fish off and never even touch the fish. sometimes I have to hold the fish to release a hook that looks like it will tear up their mouth though thats usually when hooked around the corners or side of the mouth. When landing big fish I'll swing em over in some shallower water and land them that way. Most important thing is to not lift up so there's alot of dead weight try swinging over to the side to land them leaving the fish in the water keep them lighter.

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Yes this is right on track for the flows this time of year,they will continue to very gradually drop as the weather cools and the demand from the farmers decreases.As far as the spawning browns are concerned ,yes they do spawn in the fall but I've personally seen a pretty drastic drop in the number of fish over the last few years.In fact last fall I saw zero browns in the areas where they normally spawn,I questioned the DFG about the browns on Putah and thier future.They responded by saying that they have no interest in the browns and the plantings of these fish has been discontinued because they are a non native species.My guess is the numbers of browns will steadily decline over time and this will be accelerated if people harass the few remaining spawners on their redds and if the flows leave the redds high and dry.Concerning the flows we are starting the wheels in motion to try to work with the water agencies to keep this from happening.If anybody see's a redd that is above the water line please take a picture and call me if you can.Happy fishing to all.  Bono

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Thanks guys for the advise. What is a Redd?

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The redd is where the fish lay the eggs.  The female builds a redd usually in small gravel I think. No expert. I can identify them in the river though and its a really good thing to know so you dont wade all over them really you should stay away from them all together.  Look for areas that have clean depressions on the river bottom.

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Wyat,

I also use the triple surgeon's knot for the leader tippet connection. I would also check your leader/tippet for wind knots, they will snap your line quick. I always play the fish, get him tired, slowly bring it in, and then net him. You get an extra couple of feet with a net and less stress on the fish. You should never lift a fish by the line, trout should be left in the water. Good Luck!

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As far as redds go, tailouts and riffles are popular spots, because they usually have the gravel that the fish need to lay their eggs in.  Wherever you see shallow, flowing water with clean gravel, fish will probably spawn in it.  If you see fish hanging in these shallow areas, they are most likely spawning or getting ready to.  Please don't harass them.  Definitely don't walk through these areas.  I usually stay out of the water during spawning periods.  I tend to focus on the deeper pockets and holes when the fish are spawning.

To prevent more stress on the fish I use a net, unless the fish is just too big.  That hasn't happened on Putah yet, though.  If buying a net for Putah, make sure to buy one that will accomodate a BIG Putah Rainbow.


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I keep regular tabs on when they drop the flows to Winter levels.  Here's the data for the last four years (from my journal):
10/15/06:  59 CFS
10/29/05:  84 CFS
10/19/04:  59 CFS
10/23/03:  66 CFS (after dropping the flow to 66, they raised it back above 100 CFS until early November)

The date shown is the first day they dropped the flow below 100 CFS.  Note, however, that the Solano Irrigation District sometimes lowers the flows and then raises them seemingly at their whim. 

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How long do you guys ussually have a net last ? I bought a nice teakwood brodin net about a year ago and its all tore up from bushwackin. Ok, if you do not know what a redd is you really need to go out and get yourself some reading material on trout. When the rainbows start spawning I like just going up and watching em, You will be amazed at how big of fish there are in putah and just how many of them there are, Last december I personally witness several trout in the high 20's (inches), possibly pushing 30. When ya watch em and pay attention you will find that not all fish are there to spawn, There are plenty of egg robbers out there as well, I don't see any problem fishing for these egg robbers. As far as handling fish goes, I try not to, just grip the fly with your foreceps and shake em loose, If you must handle the fish always wet your hands first, this prevents you from removing there protective slim. I dont catch very many putah trout that are net worthy, It just wastes time trying to untagle everything from the net. I figure as long as you get a hand on the leader the fish is considered landed. It's pretty amazing how strong todays modern tippet material is, I can pull pretty darn hard on 5x with no problems.



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Thanks Captain, well I did ok today even with the rain and lightning....didnt realy want to stand waist deep in water shaking a graphite stick around in a lightning storm but stood shore side until it let up a bit.....did catch a 12" to 13" wild bow that jumped so high it knocked some leaves off the tree....well maby not that high but it is the first trout that has jumped for me..... I did what you guys said and was able to bring it to hand.....thanks alot...

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Oh, it bit on a #22 green WD40

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Captain, I've been using the net I have now for about a year and a half.  It has a couple of small tears in it but nothing major.  I carry my net on my back, hanging from the hoop side instead of the handle.  This eliminates many snags but not all.

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  • I found that using a 'release net' works very well.  It is a slicker material sort of like a soft nylong that has holes punched in it instead of the traditional rope netting.  I find this gets snagged on stickers a lot less and it also is gentler on the fish b/c their fins / gills and other bony parts don't get caught in the net.

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